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thank you

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the smoke radio for the masses of July 8

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1947 the Army Air Forces has announced

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that applying disc has been found and is

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now in the possession of the army

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rigs change the game game changer I

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occasionally think how quickly our

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difference is worldwide would vanish if

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we were facing an alien threat from

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outside this work

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this is Fade to Black with your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer Radio

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all right welcome everybody how you

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doing today is Wednesday de starts the

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first day today's Thursday December 15

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2022 and our guest tonight is Jim Harold

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of course the host of uh the Paranormal

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uh podcast and and other things he's

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been a full-time podcaster uh since uh

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2012 he's been in a radio uh for I don't

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know probably close to uh 20 years now

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and uh a true professional and all of

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his links Jim harrell.com Jim

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harrellplus.com uh Jim Harold is the

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Paranormal host of everything that we

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know and love.com

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greattvpodcast.com everything is below

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and I would like to welcome back uh to

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fade to black the one and only and and

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my good friend Jim Harold Jim how are

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you my friend I'm doing well happy

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holidays Merry Christmas all the

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holidays to everybody and good to be

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with you and thank you for the invite

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and looking forward to talking for a

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while and you said you wanted to get

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inside my heads I'm like oh what is

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Jimmy going to ask me so I guess well I

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guess we'll find out good to be here you

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know here uh uh I'm actually going to

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start with uh something uh tonight Jim

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that I didn't plan and and I love this

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which is uh you know I want to talk

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about you in in the world of the

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Paranormal and and your life and career

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uh most uh you know because you've got

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millions of downloads and you've got you

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know a vast audience but but you have

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guests on and you're you're going

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through stories and people's experiences

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do you know you don't talk about

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yourself you know and I think there's a

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mystery there and okay you know I know a

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little bit and and I thought it would be

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a lot of fun uh to do that tonight uh

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for everybody and we'll make it part of

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memorialize your life tonight and make

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it part of the historical record but

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before we get to that

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um this is you are a true professional

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and uh tonight right before the show

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everybody Jim I was just you know just

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thinking about our conversation

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wandering in into my studio with my

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coffee and thinking about the

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conversation that we just had and so

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everybody Jim and I weren't talking

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about ghosts uh this afternoon we

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weren't talking about the Paranormal or

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or his show or any no we were talking

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about our love and affection

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for Megami Studio wire

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that's a profession

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so you care about the way you sound you

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care about the way you are presented uh

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to everybody and these are things that I

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think get lost in the mix today with the

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world of podcasting and and live

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streaming and the ease of it uh to get

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decades into the audio and radio and

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entertainment world uh we approach this

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not going to let that go are you no I I

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honest with you you know even if I

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years ago my ears bleed a little bit I'm

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kind of like oh I could have done that

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because there's always new people coming

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on the scene right there's always new I

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mean friendly competition but

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competition there's always new people

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coming on we you know you know as well

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as I do that we are trying to get people

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to listen and watch our content and so

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are the big guys so anything that I can

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out as quality of a product I can that's

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what I want to do you know there's only

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so much you can do with this but I do

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everything I can I I remember

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this was a few years ago and you had

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gotten a new Neumann microphone right

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tlm yeah and uh and your excitement

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right it's tippity top there's that but

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for most that just blows right past them

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they don't have any idea uh what you're

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referring to right uh but but for me I

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was like man you go Jim you know you

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know and and that's what is important

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here and I uh so Jim and I

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uh we were I'm gonna do what we were

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doing earlier right uh jump off the mic

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real quick uh so for everybody out there

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magami this is magami that's the Megami

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logo that you see on so that might be

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upside down but anyway that's Megami

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this is a Megami headphone extension

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cable my whole studio was Megami and

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somebody just posted yeah to check this

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out you ready you ready for this Jim

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this is yep I'm ready this is going to

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uh uh make you cringe you ready

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no no Headley God love you but no no

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and and so yes uh I take great care uh

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to make sure that my wiring is perfect

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uh I do that with magami I I have a pile

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microphones and I am constantly

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you know trying to perfect you know what

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is it right now I'm using an re20 you

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but this has been changed you know and

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shark in water right yeah you have to

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you have to keep and I and only the

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audio but I try to think how to do

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maybe how we can improve and I always

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like to think it's getting better

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because I think if you stagnate you die

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don't work but I think as a content

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creator you've got to keep trying to

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make it fresh you've done that yourself

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evolution you've gone through I think

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that's a sign of somebody that's engaged

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just doing the same exact thing over and

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me last week he said you know I saw I

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saw that you you've made some changes

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you know good for you and that's you

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time management thing I don't watch

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everything that's out there it's

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impossible but what I do uh notice is

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YouTube and it could be about anything

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right it could be Electronics or

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technology or knitting whatever it may

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be uh unboxing videos and stuff you look

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of accomplishment technically in the

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presentation and how people are speaking

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quality of the audio and the edits and

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lifted man you you and I two old farts

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man we can't we can't we've got to

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constantly perfect and move forward yes

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I couldn't agree more that's exactly

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right that's exactly right and it's kind

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of fun it keeps it fun I I mean if I

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were just doing exactly the same thing

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fun because see uh you talked about my

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history I used to work in radio but I

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worked on the business side but I had a

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ton of ideas but the problem was nobody

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with the it was a teleconference at the

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time it wasn't video we weren't zooming

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but this is about 2010 and I was on the

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line with the top digital people at CBS

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Radio which became intercom which has

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become Odyssey but but CBS Radio I mean

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a big deal owned by the same CBS that we

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all know the the big guy the Tiffany

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for a cluster of stations in Cleveland

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and we would have weekly calls and go

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around and talk about different things

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and I said to the top guy their digital

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program about 2010 I said you guys

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really need to get on the podcasting

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wagon this is gonna be big and they said

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oh that's very nice it's very nice how

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many banner ads did you sell this week

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um you know so long getting back to the

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point is is that I came from working in

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traditional broadcasting behind the

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scenes for uh on and off 20 years it

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wasn't fully 20 years there were some

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gaps in there and I did some non-media

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stuff but for for 20 for almost 20 years

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I was working for media companies and it

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was so frustrating to go down the hall

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and have an idea and they just said we

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don't really care so now

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I'm the chief and if I have an idea I

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try it and guess what some of them don't

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work and some of them work great and uh

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but I've got that freedom and I love it

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when I was excuse me

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when I uh I just finished school for

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broadcasting and uh 2008 2007 2008 right

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in there and at that age I decided uh

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I'm ready to get out of the music

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industry I want to go and do what I've

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always wanted to do Chase my Bliss and

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and start this radio career well at that

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time uh right as I was making the shift

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the the

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economy collapsed 2008 we all know

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whatever yep and the media industry took

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a huge hit uh radio and television

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um advertisers there was no money right

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anywhere and and suddenly I thought I

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was going to cruise into I had things

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set up that I was going to cruise into

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this radio career and start things off

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well that all stopped and but at that

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time YouTube was brand new right

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there was no live streaming it didn't

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exist the word podcast didn't didn't

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happen for a few years that wasn't even

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a word yet

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and and I was sitting on this equipment

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and I had a computer

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and I knew a little bit about the

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internet a little bit about HTML and I

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thought you know what

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I'm just going to start a radio station

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and I'm gonna do it online nobody had

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done it before

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and I didn't I was frustrated with

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different uh networks uh you know just

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telling me no

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right now we're not hiring and I just

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graduated I was pretty so I I looked at

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the computer and I thought through this

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and said I'm going to

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try I pulled it off build a website that

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would stream audio all right so I html'd

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myself to death but before I did that

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I I went to my two daughters

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and at the time there were probably

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eight nine years old

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um they're 27 now so maybe they were 10

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and uh it was at a Sizzler and I said

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okay I got I gotta ask you guys a

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question yeah what's up Dad

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I want to start an Internet radio

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station what do you guys think do it

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why the internet even remember you know

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they got at the age of 10. you know and

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I thought okay so if I've got the

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support of my daughters

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they get it you know they see what I see

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um I'm going to do this so Jimmy

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churchradio.com that's a that was uh

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that was started in 2008 and it took me

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about six months uh you know uh building

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and testing and it finally worked and

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that's where Jimmy Church radio started

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podcasting and live streaming and

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whatever radio internet that all came

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later well it's podcasting was around

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actually it started in 2004 I started in

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2005. not full time but I mean it really

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didn't hit you're right it didn't hit in

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a large large way but it was out there

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in the fringes and I was on The Fringe

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so I started 2005 as a hobby

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you know I was spending 20 bucks a month

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I had a ratty Windows computer my first

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mic I used for my first shows and

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there's they're still up

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uh and I remember my first guest I think

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was Lloyd Auerbach uh the great

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parapsychologist which was awesome then

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Stan Friedman my first two guests my

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mind too by the way wow wow the

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they were like what's up

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but because nobody I mean nobody knew

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what it was and I said uh you know I

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would tell people on podcast and at that

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point it was just Jimmy for me I was

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working at a radio station at the time

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and I always let the management know and

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I think their attitude was this is

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nothing who cares do whatever you want

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to in your free time you know I didn't

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go on and say anything negative about

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the stations or never even mentioned the

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stations I work for but

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05 to 2012 was just kind of well 2005 to

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2008 was dabbling I'd do a show do a

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show in a couple months 2008 I got

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really serious four years later I was

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like basically working two full-time

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jobs and I told my wife something's got

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to give

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are you in with me I'm trying to do this

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full-time and bless her she said yes and

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I mean you talk about support much like

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your family you know getting that family

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support is so important because without

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it I would never have been able to do

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what I've been done what I've done and

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again I'm a mid-tier podcaster I'm not

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uh Joe Rogan okay uh but uh I make a

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living I enjoy what I do there's a

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decent amount of folks out there who

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seem to enjoy it too so it's it's a it's

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a good life when did it

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um uh I'm about to go deep back into

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your life in just a second but was there

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a moment where

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uh you're plugging along plugging it

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along and then all of a sudden

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right the things started to take off was

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there a moment when that happened well I

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was one of the early people starting a

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plus Club a premium offering which I

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still have to this day and I kind of

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cobbled it together with WordPress and

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these different plugins and stuff and in

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2011 I opened that up I think it was

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February of 2011 and I announced it and

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so forth and the first day I got 200

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signups

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and that was the day that I said aha

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there's something here because people

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are voting and being very generous and

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very nice by signing up to my plus club

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and I didn't have anywhere near the

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content that I have now I you know if

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you in my plus Club you get access to

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over 2 000 episodes it was not 2 000

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episodes at that time so I mean people

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were very supportive and and I'm just so

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thankful for my audience as well as my

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family but that was like the inflection

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point not that it was like you know

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life-changing money or that I could quit

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my job that day but it was like

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if I work towards this

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you know this this can be successful

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yeah it uh and uh so staying on that

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when you feel that you've taken the turn

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um do you feel that uh at that point

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that you're doing something right or

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that it's the other side that people are

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resonating with you it's not necessarily

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what you think but you're making a

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connection

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don't really make a big deal of my

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opinion on the shows I think that

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there's a commonality that people

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realize you know this is for me people

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say oh he's he's in a business and yeah

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it's my business but

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I've started following the Paranormal in

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the 1970s when I was in elementary

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school watching Leonard Nimoy and in

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search of and it's something I am

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fascinated to this day I am still

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fascinated but I had a conversation the

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other day with the gentleman by the name

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of Bernard biteman perhaps you've spoken

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he's great yeah yeah and he talked about

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he has a new book about meaningful

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coincidences and we got in deep about

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coincidences and synchronicities

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and I was I was having fun and and any

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job that you can do every single day and

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you've been at it for 17 years talking

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about a topic and related topics but you

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know they're all related to I feel they

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are at least

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and you're still excited about it that's

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a pretty good job and I think people

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sense that I have a real interest in

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these subjects a real Fascination they

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have a Fascination so I think it's that

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common common ground I've never claimed

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to be an expert I'm not an expert there

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aren't a lot of experts I real experts

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somebody like Rosemary Ellen guy she was

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an expert as close as you're going to

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get that's like great

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uh but I I'm a guy who's asked a lot of

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people a lot of questions and heard a

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lot of answers and have some opinions

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but uh uh but people seem to resonate

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with that the if if we back up

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um and when you say that you know as a

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kid you were interested in you know

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Leonard Nimoy and if you know what you

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don't have a claim to that story we all

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um you just got me thinking uh the intro

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to that show would get me pumped right

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oh yeah just just incredible

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um that what the Loch Ness monster

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whatever you know it was a strange

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disappearance blah blah blah these are

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the Mysteries we will explore yeah oh

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man and the music was perfect yeah

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perfect it was perfect and so so were

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you were you strange growing up were you

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dressing in Black uh stand out

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not really I was kind of a kind of a

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kind of bookish

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um always loved Sports so a lot of kids

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who were like really uh good in school

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and stuff don't like love sports wasn't

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great at but loved it uh but uh it was

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so funny because the elementary school I

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went to so many people that I went to

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school with continued some kind of

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Fascination or some kind of business or

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something to do with the Paranormal and

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it was maybe something in the

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environment we grew up in you wanted to

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get in deep well here's a little bit of

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deepness I grew up in the inner city of

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Cleveland my dad was a steel worker you

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could look out mine and uh if you've

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seen that movie Christmas Story uh which

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is one of my all-time favorites which

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was partially shot in Cleveland you see

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those older houses that's kind of

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similar to the kind of house I grew up

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in

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and uh I could look out my

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front door and see uh what they call a

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bof blast oxygen furnace with fire

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belching out

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and maybe it's something about that

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invite and I could look out my side

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window and see railroad cars

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so maybe it was something about that

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environment and the kids in that

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neighborhood that kind of lend itself to

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the spooky and the strange because it

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was kind of like a spooky and strange

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place to grow up

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and I've always wondered about that

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because so many of the people that I

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still keep in contact via social media

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and things uh one live streams and it's

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kind of like a modern day movie horror

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host uh other people do like uh crafts

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and things that they sell and they're

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all around spooky stuff I just think

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that's really interesting and maybe it's

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maybe there was something in the water I

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don't know

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uh was your house haunted no not that

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I'm aware of grandparents

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uh my grandparents are you asking me

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about my grandparents or about their

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house oh your grandparents not that I'm

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aware of no but I have two great family

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stories that also may have sparked my

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interest in the Paranormal one would

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happen to my dad and my uncle and the

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other one happened to my dad and my mom

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would you want to hear one of those

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let's let's go Jim okay all right so the

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first one is one that happened to my dad

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and uncle now my uh dad's still with us

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he's 87 years old this probably happened

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around 1960 I would say he and my uncle

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who was of a similar age and they were

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too you know in their day they played

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football they were big guys one was six

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foot one six two big Burly kind of guys

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and when they first went to Cleveland

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they lived over a bar

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so anyway

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um there was a picture over the bar

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of like this this old guy I guess or

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there was a picture of him who had

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passed who used to come into the bar all

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the time and my dad said he even bought

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the guy a drink now then so one night my

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dad is asleep and they're both in this

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apartment as best I could I never saw

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the apartments before my time but as

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best I understand it was like probably

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like two rooms and a little kitchenette

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or something my uncle was in one my dad

544
00:24:07,789 --> 00:24:05,700
was in the other they're both asleep my

545
00:24:10,430 --> 00:24:07,799
dad wakes up and he sees somebody

546
00:24:13,970 --> 00:24:10,440
standing over him and smiling and it's

547
00:24:16,970 --> 00:24:13,980
that guy the dead guy so my dad you know

548
00:24:20,570 --> 00:24:16,980
probably about that point 25 years old

549
00:24:22,549 --> 00:24:20,580
you know like a big guy he I mean he was

550
00:24:23,930 --> 00:24:22,559
a muscle-bound guy he was kind of a

551
00:24:26,029 --> 00:24:23,940
scary guy when I was growing up because

552
00:24:29,630 --> 00:24:26,039
you know he was he was pretty tough

553
00:24:32,450 --> 00:24:29,640
anyway he takes a swing

554
00:24:34,730 --> 00:24:32,460
air and he starts yelling out and stuff

555
00:24:37,310 --> 00:24:34,740
that I won't say on the broadcast and my

556
00:24:39,230 --> 00:24:37,320
uncle's like what are you yelling about

557
00:24:42,130 --> 00:24:39,240
what's going on because they were both

558
00:24:46,190 --> 00:24:42,140
from originally from West Virginia and

559
00:24:48,230 --> 00:24:46,200
and my uh my dad said that this guy was

560
00:24:50,090 --> 00:24:48,240
in here I swear he's in here I said

561
00:24:51,409 --> 00:24:50,100
Somebody's in this apartment and they're

562
00:24:53,210 --> 00:24:51,419
looking around there's a way and my

563
00:24:54,590 --> 00:24:53,220
uncle's like ah you're just dreaming

564
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:54,600
you're whatever

565
00:24:59,270 --> 00:24:57,600
about two weeks later my dad's asleep my

566
00:25:01,610 --> 00:24:59,280
uncle's asleep

567
00:25:04,250 --> 00:25:01,620
my uncle wakes up somebody's standing

568
00:25:06,830 --> 00:25:04,260
over him smiling he's bigger than my dad

569
00:25:08,330 --> 00:25:06,840
he swings nothing here there's somebody

570
00:25:10,370 --> 00:25:08,340
in this apartment

571
00:25:11,149 --> 00:25:10,380
and my dad laughed he said you saw him

572
00:25:13,789 --> 00:25:11,159
too

573
00:25:16,730 --> 00:25:13,799
so and that's one that I heard since

574
00:25:19,730 --> 00:25:16,740
Jimmy I can remember I was probably four

575
00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:19,740
or five years old whatever my age of

576
00:25:24,190 --> 00:25:21,360
recognition was I've heard that story

577
00:25:28,430 --> 00:25:24,200
the story has never changed

578
00:25:29,810 --> 00:25:28,440
my parents were not and my uncle who was

579
00:25:32,269 --> 00:25:29,820
like a parent to me because he lived

580
00:25:33,409 --> 00:25:32,279
with us he was like a second dad to me

581
00:25:34,970 --> 00:25:33,419
um

582
00:25:37,130 --> 00:25:34,980
they were not people who would sleep

583
00:25:40,430 --> 00:25:37,140
with pyramids under their bed

584
00:25:42,649 --> 00:25:40,440
uh they would not trying to get into the

585
00:25:44,390 --> 00:25:42,659
uh you know the Oneness of the universal

586
00:25:46,430 --> 00:25:44,400
Consciousness they were not paranormal

587
00:25:49,250 --> 00:25:46,440
investigators they were Steel Workers

588
00:25:51,169 --> 00:25:49,260
salt of the earth working class folks

589
00:25:52,310 --> 00:25:51,179
and they never change their story and

590
00:25:54,169 --> 00:25:52,320
that's the thing that appeals to me

591
00:25:56,269 --> 00:25:54,179
about campfire the campfire show I do

592
00:25:58,669 --> 00:25:56,279
Jim Harold's campfire is people like

593
00:26:00,289 --> 00:25:58,679
that call in many people say nothing

594
00:26:02,210 --> 00:26:00,299
else ever happened to me

595
00:26:04,310 --> 00:26:02,220
but they say I know what I saw and this

596
00:26:07,070 --> 00:26:04,320
is what happened to me and I I almost

597
00:26:08,570 --> 00:26:07,080
wonder subconsciously that's how that

598
00:26:11,090 --> 00:26:08,580
show came to be

599
00:26:12,950 --> 00:26:11,100
hearing those kind of stories I've got

600
00:26:16,370 --> 00:26:12,960
another one for you but I'll let you oh

601
00:26:21,289 --> 00:26:16,380
wow but but here's the thing uh when

602
00:26:24,130 --> 00:26:21,299
you're five and you hear that from your

603
00:26:29,630 --> 00:26:24,140
parents your family your uncle right

604
00:26:32,210 --> 00:26:29,640
this cement or helps cement oh yeah the

605
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:32,220
mindset that the world is not you know

606
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:34,320
you know black and white it's it's not

607
00:26:39,169 --> 00:26:36,960
necessarily what we're told that it is

608
00:26:41,390 --> 00:26:39,179
that's exactly right and that's exactly

609
00:26:43,310 --> 00:26:41,400
the way I feel to the this day the one

610
00:26:44,810 --> 00:26:43,320
thing I say Jimmy people will say well

611
00:26:47,690 --> 00:26:44,820
what are your theories or what do you

612
00:26:49,430 --> 00:26:47,700
think and I'll say hey I'm more confused

613
00:26:52,490 --> 00:26:49,440
than I've ever been

614
00:26:56,690 --> 00:26:52,500
uh B I'm more convinced that something's

615
00:26:59,149 --> 00:26:56,700
going on and see I think reality is far

616
00:27:00,950 --> 00:26:59,159
stranger and more complex than we

617
00:27:02,990 --> 00:27:00,960
understand I think about and I think I

618
00:27:04,909 --> 00:27:03,000
told you this but I think about it like

619
00:27:07,250 --> 00:27:04,919
you walk up to this Old English manner

620
00:27:09,310 --> 00:27:07,260
you walk in the door and there is a

621
00:27:11,810 --> 00:27:09,320
library one of those big old beautiful

622
00:27:13,250 --> 00:27:11,820
English libraries like you'd see in

623
00:27:15,950 --> 00:27:13,260
Downton Abbey or something but the

624
00:27:17,330 --> 00:27:15,960
door's locked and and you could see in

625
00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:17,340
through the keyhole where they put the

626
00:27:20,750 --> 00:27:18,720
skeleton key and you can see it's a

627
00:27:22,669 --> 00:27:20,760
library and you can see there's books

628
00:27:24,649 --> 00:27:22,679
but you can't see how many books they

629
00:27:26,269 --> 00:27:24,659
are you can't tell what language they're

630
00:27:28,070 --> 00:27:26,279
written in you don't know how many pages

631
00:27:30,110 --> 00:27:28,080
they have you don't know what's written

632
00:27:32,810 --> 00:27:30,120
on the pages or who wrote them that's

633
00:27:35,470 --> 00:27:32,820
kind of how I view reality we just see a

634
00:27:38,510 --> 00:27:35,480
tiny sliver of what's going on

635
00:27:40,970 --> 00:27:38,520
the the journey

636
00:27:44,269 --> 00:27:40,980
um uh I I don't make this show about me

637
00:27:47,330 --> 00:27:44,279
I would like to uh but

638
00:27:49,850 --> 00:27:47,340
um but but what I do find interesting

639
00:27:50,990 --> 00:27:49,860
is that I find myself commenting more

640
00:27:52,789 --> 00:27:51,000
and more

641
00:27:56,690 --> 00:27:52,799
about

642
00:27:58,970 --> 00:27:56,700
time travel and I I you know what it

643
00:28:01,789 --> 00:27:58,980
it's it may be real I believe that it

644
00:28:05,570 --> 00:28:01,799
probably is but I don't know if I would

645
00:28:09,430 --> 00:28:05,580
go back and change anything because the

646
00:28:12,830 --> 00:28:09,440
journey on how I am here if I go back

647
00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:12,840
then something is altered and I always

648
00:28:18,110 --> 00:28:16,080
knew that I would be here doing this

649
00:28:20,930 --> 00:28:18,120
with you Jim

650
00:28:23,930 --> 00:28:20,940
um one day right and and that's the path

651
00:28:26,210 --> 00:28:23,940
did you have the same feeling you know

652
00:28:27,769 --> 00:28:26,220
you went through your journey all right

653
00:28:29,930 --> 00:28:27,779
to the radio business and the business

654
00:28:32,750 --> 00:28:29,940
side of things but look where you are

655
00:28:34,430 --> 00:28:32,760
today did you know did you feel in your

656
00:28:35,149 --> 00:28:34,440
bones that this is where you would end

657
00:28:38,450 --> 00:28:35,159
up

658
00:28:40,610 --> 00:28:38,460
well I I mean in a way this didn't exist

659
00:28:42,230 --> 00:28:40,620
back then when I started because I went

660
00:28:43,909 --> 00:28:42,240
to college for broadcasting and

661
00:28:45,710 --> 00:28:43,919
everything and my whole plan I never

662
00:28:48,250 --> 00:28:45,720
plan to work on the business side of

663
00:28:51,890 --> 00:28:48,260
media I had no interest in it I remember

664
00:28:53,570 --> 00:28:51,900
interning at a place a cable company I

665
00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:53,580
had won some kind of scholarship or

666
00:28:57,049 --> 00:28:55,200
something got a paid internship was it

667
00:28:59,029 --> 00:28:57,059
was pretty cool but I got to work in the

668
00:29:00,169 --> 00:28:59,039
sales department I'm like these poor

669
00:29:02,870 --> 00:29:00,179
schlubs

670
00:29:05,269 --> 00:29:02,880
this is horrible and then I ended up

671
00:29:07,250 --> 00:29:05,279
working in it for years which actually

672
00:29:09,950 --> 00:29:07,260
turned out to be a blessing in disguise

673
00:29:12,769 --> 00:29:09,960
by the way might I say but but the point

674
00:29:14,930 --> 00:29:12,779
was when I went to school I fully

675
00:29:16,970 --> 00:29:14,940
believed that I would be in front of the

676
00:29:19,010 --> 00:29:16,980
camera or in front of the mic one way or

677
00:29:21,230 --> 00:29:19,020
the other doing something but then when

678
00:29:24,350 --> 00:29:21,240
I ended up on the business side I

679
00:29:26,029 --> 00:29:24,360
thought oh All Is Lost that's you know

680
00:29:28,610 --> 00:29:26,039
just a pipe dream and that's something

681
00:29:30,649 --> 00:29:28,620
that'll never happen and I kind of

682
00:29:32,630 --> 00:29:30,659
focused on trying to advance in the

683
00:29:34,909 --> 00:29:32,640
business side of things and when

684
00:29:36,830 --> 00:29:34,919
podcasting came around I thought ah well

685
00:29:39,470 --> 00:29:36,840
at least if I can never make a living at

686
00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:39,480
this and you know never be on TV or

687
00:29:42,950 --> 00:29:41,039
anything I can do this little thing and

688
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:42,960
it'll be fun because I love the

689
00:29:47,389 --> 00:29:45,360
Paranormal I love broadcasting or

690
00:29:50,029 --> 00:29:47,399
podcasting in this case

691
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:50,039
but I think there was a time that I

692
00:29:54,529 --> 00:29:52,320
really lost faith I really did and

693
00:29:56,090 --> 00:29:54,539
that's something I I would say to

694
00:29:58,669 --> 00:29:56,100
younger people

695
00:30:02,029 --> 00:29:58,679
and I say to my daughters it's like

696
00:30:05,570 --> 00:30:02,039
don't lose Faith because you don't know

697
00:30:08,090 --> 00:30:05,580
why you are where you are I firmly

698
00:30:09,950 --> 00:30:08,100
believe in some way I was put in all

699
00:30:12,049 --> 00:30:09,960
those jobs including the ones that I

700
00:30:14,810 --> 00:30:12,059
really didn't care for much so I could

701
00:30:16,730 --> 00:30:14,820
learn things and one of the things I

702
00:30:17,450 --> 00:30:16,740
learned was a lot about the media

703
00:30:19,970 --> 00:30:17,460
business

704
00:30:22,789 --> 00:30:19,980
so along with hopefully my training and

705
00:30:24,289 --> 00:30:22,799
just doing it so long I'm decent on Mike

706
00:30:25,130 --> 00:30:24,299
but I'm really good at the media

707
00:30:28,250 --> 00:30:25,140
business

708
00:30:30,409 --> 00:30:28,260
so I think having I always joke that my

709
00:30:31,789 --> 00:30:30,419
strength is my mediocrity

710
00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:31,799
um I mean Jimmy church is a better

711
00:30:35,630 --> 00:30:34,080
broadcaster than I am and somebody else

712
00:30:38,149 --> 00:30:35,640
I worked with might have been a better

713
00:30:40,669 --> 00:30:38,159
ad salesperson than I was and somebody

714
00:30:42,970 --> 00:30:40,679
else might be a better Tech person than

715
00:30:46,490 --> 00:30:42,980
I am I'm sure they are

716
00:30:49,190 --> 00:30:46,500
but I'm and this is a little bit of a

717
00:30:53,830 --> 00:30:49,200
brag is I'm one of the few people I know

718
00:30:56,149 --> 00:30:53,840
who can do all of it kind of competently

719
00:30:59,930 --> 00:30:56,159
you're right and that's my super that's

720
00:31:03,350 --> 00:30:59,940
my superpower it it is the journey

721
00:31:04,430 --> 00:31:03,360
um did you ever find yourself uh when

722
00:31:06,169 --> 00:31:04,440
you're in the business side of things

723
00:31:08,750 --> 00:31:06,179
and you're walking down the halls and

724
00:31:11,389 --> 00:31:08,760
walking past Studios maybe listening to

725
00:31:12,409 --> 00:31:11,399
you know the broadcast come through that

726
00:31:16,130 --> 00:31:12,419
uh

727
00:31:19,070 --> 00:31:16,140
you know what man he sucks I I actually

728
00:31:21,409 --> 00:31:19,080
was the opposite it was the opposite and

729
00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:21,419
actually it helped me immensely because

730
00:31:26,330 --> 00:31:24,960
I studied these people and I got to work

731
00:31:28,190 --> 00:31:26,340
with some great people there might have

732
00:31:29,930 --> 00:31:28,200
been a few people I'm like yeah yeah

733
00:31:33,289 --> 00:31:29,940
there were a couple that I was saying

734
00:31:35,930 --> 00:31:33,299
it's like he's in where he is because of

735
00:31:37,970 --> 00:31:35,940
who he knows or whatever and I would say

736
00:31:40,909 --> 00:31:37,980
that was the case a few times

737
00:31:43,090 --> 00:31:40,919
but most of the time I'm like dang these

738
00:31:47,510 --> 00:31:43,100
guys are good and these women are good

739
00:31:49,250 --> 00:31:47,520
and I it was funny I was studying for

740
00:31:51,049 --> 00:31:49,260
this and I didn't even realize it

741
00:31:53,630 --> 00:31:51,059
because I paid attention to everything

742
00:31:55,370 --> 00:31:53,640
when I worked in radio

743
00:31:58,010 --> 00:31:55,380
I was interested in how the traffic

744
00:31:59,810 --> 00:31:58,020
department worked I was interested in

745
00:32:01,669 --> 00:31:59,820
how engineering worked I would go in

746
00:32:03,350 --> 00:32:01,679
with the production manager and spend

747
00:32:04,909 --> 00:32:03,360
way too much time as a salesperson

748
00:32:08,330 --> 00:32:04,919
shooting the breeze and watching him do

749
00:32:09,889 --> 00:32:08,340
commercials and editing Cool Edit Pro at

750
00:32:12,470 --> 00:32:09,899
the time or whatever it was or before

751
00:32:16,970 --> 00:32:12,480
that when I first started Jimmy it was

752
00:32:19,070 --> 00:32:16,980
tape and razor blades in the early 90s

753
00:32:21,409 --> 00:32:19,080
um and I tried that once or twice and

754
00:32:24,110 --> 00:32:21,419
thank God that went away but but the

755
00:32:26,149 --> 00:32:24,120
point is is that I actually took it the

756
00:32:28,850 --> 00:32:26,159
other way I'm gonna study these people

757
00:32:30,649 --> 00:32:28,860
and I did that but I didn't know what I

758
00:32:32,990 --> 00:32:30,659
was studying for and that goes back to

759
00:32:35,510 --> 00:32:33,000
the journey because you were put in

760
00:32:38,810 --> 00:32:35,520
situations and at the time you may think

761
00:32:40,490 --> 00:32:38,820
well this is a waste of my time

762
00:32:42,830 --> 00:32:40,500
but you don't know what's coming down

763
00:32:44,450 --> 00:32:42,840
the road where that waste of time turns

764
00:32:46,970 --> 00:32:44,460
out to be one of the most important

765
00:32:48,590 --> 00:32:46,980
learning opportunities you ever had and

766
00:32:50,269 --> 00:32:48,600
I would say that to young people I mean

767
00:32:52,250 --> 00:32:50,279
I don't I don't like talking about

768
00:32:54,370 --> 00:32:52,260
myself like oh I'm such a great person

769
00:32:57,710 --> 00:32:54,380
or anything I'm not I'm like a mid-tier

770
00:32:59,389 --> 00:32:57,720
podcaster okay but I have learned a few

771
00:33:00,649 --> 00:32:59,399
things and the one thing I've learned

772
00:33:02,269 --> 00:33:00,659
and again I would say this to young

773
00:33:05,090 --> 00:33:02,279
people

774
00:33:07,549 --> 00:33:05,100
patience patience

775
00:33:10,370 --> 00:33:07,559
uh you know you don't come out fully

776
00:33:12,049 --> 00:33:10,380
baked and I always had a hard time with

777
00:33:14,389 --> 00:33:12,059
that I thought I should be you know

778
00:33:16,610 --> 00:33:14,399
number one with a bullet right away

779
00:33:20,570 --> 00:33:16,620
it's it's funny you mentioned Cool Edit

780
00:33:25,130 --> 00:33:20,580
Pro and and what a revelation uh that

781
00:33:28,430 --> 00:33:25,140
was in in that era which 1995 or so and

782
00:33:29,230 --> 00:33:28,440
the transition from from tape to digital

783
00:33:32,450 --> 00:33:29,240
audio

784
00:33:36,350 --> 00:33:32,460
and now check this out this is a true

785
00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:36,360
story 100 I can't I couldn't make up

786
00:33:43,090 --> 00:33:39,360
stuff in this story it wouldn't make it

787
00:33:47,090 --> 00:33:43,100
better it's it's that cool so I'm going

788
00:33:50,149 --> 00:33:47,100
to uh AES

789
00:33:51,710 --> 00:33:50,159
right in Las Vegas the audio engineering

790
00:33:55,070 --> 00:33:51,720
Society convention might have been even

791
00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:55,080
CES one of the two and I'm by myself and

792
00:33:58,250 --> 00:33:56,880
I'm walking in the side door of the the

793
00:34:01,430 --> 00:33:58,260
convention

794
00:34:05,210 --> 00:34:01,440
and right there

795
00:34:08,210 --> 00:34:05,220
is this little tiny Booth nobody had it

796
00:34:13,070 --> 00:34:08,220
a little tiny little six foot booth

797
00:34:16,849 --> 00:34:13,080
and uh there's a sign above it cool edit

798
00:34:19,129 --> 00:34:16,859
right now think about this so I stop and

799
00:34:23,169 --> 00:34:19,139
I go up and there's a guy there I said

800
00:34:27,409 --> 00:34:23,179
what's cool at it it's a two channel

801
00:34:30,349 --> 00:34:27,419
stereo digital editor

802
00:34:34,609 --> 00:34:30,359
what's that right well let me tell you

803
00:34:40,430 --> 00:34:34,619
about it and uh so I went through uh I

804
00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:40,440
got a floppy disk yeah of the demo and

805
00:34:45,409 --> 00:34:42,720
his name was Bob Ellison

806
00:34:48,589 --> 00:34:45,419
and Bob and I uh he was the owner of

807
00:34:51,710 --> 00:34:48,599
cool at a pro and at that time it was uh

808
00:34:55,550 --> 00:34:51,720
it was a two-person company right that's

809
00:34:57,349 --> 00:34:55,560
it and we just became friends and we

810
00:34:59,570 --> 00:34:57,359
worked together over the years and we

811
00:35:02,150 --> 00:34:59,580
ended up I was working for Lisa's at the

812
00:35:05,690 --> 00:35:02,160
time when we brought Cool Edit into the

813
00:35:08,089 --> 00:35:05,700
uh Alesis and would you know hand out uh

814
00:35:10,130 --> 00:35:08,099
to ship his his products with it and

815
00:35:12,109 --> 00:35:10,140
stuff and I became really good friends

816
00:35:16,069 --> 00:35:12,119
with them and Cool Edit went from eight

817
00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:16,079
or from two to eight tracks right to 24

818
00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:18,240
tracks and all the way through that

819
00:35:23,810 --> 00:35:21,119
development process Bob and I were were

820
00:35:25,970 --> 00:35:23,820
on the phones and I would go uh to his

821
00:35:29,150 --> 00:35:25,980
offices I remember

822
00:35:31,450 --> 00:35:29,160
this is true now Cool Edit today

823
00:35:34,730 --> 00:35:31,460
is Adobe Audition

824
00:35:36,589 --> 00:35:34,740
that's how big it got and so wait you

825
00:35:38,510 --> 00:35:36,599
know so I'm going to his company and at

826
00:35:40,910 --> 00:35:38,520
that time it was in the basement of this

827
00:35:43,849 --> 00:35:40,920
office building he had like a marketing

828
00:35:46,849 --> 00:35:43,859
person uh somebody else it was like five

829
00:35:48,829 --> 00:35:46,859
people and that's it you know and going

830
00:35:51,770 --> 00:35:48,839
through and just excited about the

831
00:35:53,870 --> 00:35:51,780
future and then uh one day I went to

832
00:35:56,569 --> 00:35:53,880
call him up and I I needed something or

833
00:36:00,130 --> 00:35:56,579
or whatever and he doesn't return my

834
00:36:03,530 --> 00:36:00,140
call and then it was like I sent him

835
00:36:05,390 --> 00:36:03,540
angrier angrier emails okay man that's

836
00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:05,400
it this is the last email I'm ever

837
00:36:09,470 --> 00:36:07,680
sending you right that kind of stuff and

838
00:36:11,990 --> 00:36:09,480
then he finally goes man we were in a

839
00:36:14,270 --> 00:36:12,000
30-day quiet period

840
00:36:15,950 --> 00:36:14,280
I sold the company

841
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:15,960
to Adobe

842
00:36:24,109 --> 00:36:20,640
and I went oh wow you know and but but I

843
00:36:27,109 --> 00:36:24,119
watched the whole thing uh right out and

844
00:36:29,810 --> 00:36:27,119
Bob Ellison man what what a great dude

845
00:36:32,450 --> 00:36:29,820
cool at it it's a little booth man this

846
00:36:33,890 --> 00:36:32,460
big I love it I love it somebody had a

847
00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:33,900
vision they made it where and that's the

848
00:36:38,810 --> 00:36:35,760
thing I'm I'm what I like to call myself

849
00:36:40,490 --> 00:36:38,820
a compassionate capitalist because uh

850
00:36:42,410 --> 00:36:40,500
again I I think you should treat people

851
00:36:44,210 --> 00:36:42,420
well and if you have people working for

852
00:36:46,370 --> 00:36:44,220
you you should treat them well in fact

853
00:36:50,270 --> 00:36:46,380
one of my radio station owners that I

854
00:36:52,730 --> 00:36:50,280
work for was that kind of guy he uh and

855
00:36:54,530 --> 00:36:52,740
he's probably approaching 90 and he's

856
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:54,540
still working yeah they actually want to

857
00:36:59,770 --> 00:36:57,359
work for a classical radio station and

858
00:37:03,950 --> 00:36:59,780
he basically co-founded the station in

859
00:37:06,109 --> 00:37:03,960
1962 and you know he's ended up getting

860
00:37:08,510 --> 00:37:06,119
other stations in Seoul but he made sure

861
00:37:11,210 --> 00:37:08,520
this station stay classical and donated

862
00:37:13,670 --> 00:37:11,220
it and it did very well but also was a

863
00:37:15,170 --> 00:37:13,680
great guy and great to his employees and

864
00:37:17,990 --> 00:37:15,180
that was kind of the model for me I want

865
00:37:19,970 --> 00:37:18,000
to be someone who to you know provides

866
00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:19,980
my audience a service

867
00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:22,800
makes a living and and does right by

868
00:37:26,990 --> 00:37:24,960
people and maybe brings a little bit of

869
00:37:28,970 --> 00:37:27,000
information and entertainment to light I

870
00:37:31,730 --> 00:37:28,980
I want it to be truly a win-win-win

871
00:37:32,630 --> 00:37:31,740
where somebody you know they listen for

872
00:37:34,370 --> 00:37:32,640
free

873
00:37:35,990 --> 00:37:34,380
they feel great about it if they're a

874
00:37:37,970 --> 00:37:36,000
member of my plus Club they feel great

875
00:37:39,890 --> 00:37:37,980
about it if they don't feel great about

876
00:37:42,230 --> 00:37:39,900
it let's get you out of it let's get you

877
00:37:44,450 --> 00:37:42,240
you know a refund or whatever you need

878
00:37:46,849 --> 00:37:44,460
you know I'm all about customer service

879
00:37:49,790 --> 00:37:46,859
but I also want to be successful I think

880
00:37:52,670 --> 00:37:49,800
that's to me that's the model like like

881
00:37:54,770 --> 00:37:52,680
your friend you know he worked hard he

882
00:37:56,810 --> 00:37:54,780
created something that was spectacular

883
00:37:58,970 --> 00:37:56,820
and he saw the fruits of it I think

884
00:38:02,030 --> 00:37:58,980
that's I think that's fantastic which

885
00:38:04,490 --> 00:38:02,040
now is truly the industry standard yeah

886
00:38:07,550 --> 00:38:04,500
yeah it's uh Adobe Audition cool letter

887
00:38:09,650 --> 00:38:07,560
Pro uh Adobe Audition every Newsroom

888
00:38:12,589 --> 00:38:09,660
every radio station in the country

889
00:38:16,430 --> 00:38:12,599
that's what they use and they use it

890
00:38:20,569 --> 00:38:16,440
because it's great well okay so uh when

891
00:38:22,730 --> 00:38:20,579
the uh did you always have and I keep

892
00:38:24,170 --> 00:38:22,740
going back to you know when you're

893
00:38:28,430 --> 00:38:24,180
walking the Halls on the business side

894
00:38:31,370 --> 00:38:28,440
of things did you always think about the

895
00:38:33,530 --> 00:38:31,380
Paranormal and and that type of

896
00:38:35,450 --> 00:38:33,540
footprint in the media Market that there

897
00:38:37,730 --> 00:38:35,460
was room for this no I never thought

898
00:38:39,950 --> 00:38:37,740
about it until I came up with the idea

899
00:38:43,370 --> 00:38:39,960
of doing a podcast what happened was I

900
00:38:46,430 --> 00:38:43,380
used to listen to uh you know like KFI

901
00:38:47,810 --> 00:38:46,440
would stream uh and some things like uh

902
00:38:49,970 --> 00:38:47,820
it really start I'll tell you how it

903
00:38:54,069 --> 00:38:49,980
started uh Leo Laporte The Great tech

904
00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:54,079
journalist yeah and uh oh he's fantastic

905
00:39:00,589 --> 00:38:58,560
and uh kind of like a model uh for kind

906
00:39:02,210 --> 00:39:00,599
of a little bit what I do although on I

907
00:39:04,970 --> 00:39:02,220
do it on a much smaller scale than he

908
00:39:07,370 --> 00:39:04,980
does but um and it's about ghost and

909
00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:07,380
Bigfoot but

910
00:39:12,310 --> 00:39:09,359
but the point being

911
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:12,320
that I started listening to some of his

912
00:39:17,150 --> 00:39:14,400
tatros he said oh I'm doing this new

913
00:39:21,230 --> 00:39:17,160
thing called podcasting and this is

914
00:39:22,730 --> 00:39:21,240
early early 2005 I think so I think at

915
00:39:25,910 --> 00:39:22,740
that time you had to download a program

916
00:39:28,250 --> 00:39:25,920
called juice and then hook up your mp3

917
00:39:30,290 --> 00:39:28,260
player it was before Apple even had it

918
00:39:32,270 --> 00:39:30,300
and then Apple got in the iPod summer of

919
00:39:34,370 --> 00:39:32,280
2005 and like within a month or two I

920
00:39:35,690 --> 00:39:34,380
started my podcast but that you asked

921
00:39:37,670 --> 00:39:35,700
about the Paranormal I was almost

922
00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:37,680
fascinated by the Paranormal anytime

923
00:39:43,130 --> 00:39:40,560
through my whole life and I never knew I

924
00:39:44,930 --> 00:39:43,140
was gonna I podcasting didn't exist it

925
00:39:46,970 --> 00:39:44,940
wasn't even on my radar

926
00:39:50,450 --> 00:39:46,980
but I was almost interested in listening

927
00:39:53,810 --> 00:39:50,460
to Art Bell like so many in the 90s

928
00:39:56,089 --> 00:39:53,820
um and uh you know I go in a bookstore I

929
00:39:59,810 --> 00:39:56,099
go in a library and that would be one of

930
00:40:02,030 --> 00:39:59,820
my must-hit sections you know and when I

931
00:40:04,670 --> 00:40:02,040
went to start podcasting in 2005 because

932
00:40:06,410 --> 00:40:04,680
I said you know I wanna I wanna use

933
00:40:08,210 --> 00:40:06,420
or try to hone some of these

934
00:40:10,430 --> 00:40:08,220
broadcasting skills if it's just for fun

935
00:40:12,710 --> 00:40:10,440
just for my own Amusement I said well

936
00:40:14,510 --> 00:40:12,720
what can I do a show on what it really

937
00:40:17,569 --> 00:40:14,520
interests me and might interest other

938
00:40:19,910 --> 00:40:17,579
people did you have a list well not

939
00:40:21,589 --> 00:40:19,920
Mentalist I didn't write down but Sports

940
00:40:24,170 --> 00:40:21,599
I'm not going to add anything on Sports

941
00:40:25,609 --> 00:40:24,180
there's people you know I know tons more

942
00:40:29,450 --> 00:40:25,619
on Sports than I ever know can't do

943
00:40:31,970 --> 00:40:29,460
music because you can't do any ASCAP or

944
00:40:35,150 --> 00:40:31,980
BMI music which happens to still be the

945
00:40:37,790 --> 00:40:35,160
case and is still ridiculous

946
00:40:39,470 --> 00:40:37,800
um yeah I know politics you know what I

947
00:40:41,089 --> 00:40:39,480
have my beliefs but just like on my

948
00:40:43,250 --> 00:40:41,099
shows I don't want to argue with people

949
00:40:45,530 --> 00:40:43,260
I want to get I'm the kind of person who

950
00:40:47,390 --> 00:40:45,540
says you know I my best friend and I

951
00:40:50,569 --> 00:40:47,400
have very different political beliefs I

952
00:40:53,690 --> 00:40:50,579
remember uh I used to say a and he'd say

953
00:40:55,970 --> 00:40:53,700
B and I I'd say well Rich you're full of

954
00:40:57,950 --> 00:40:55,980
crap and say Jim you're full of crap and

955
00:41:00,829 --> 00:40:57,960
then we would say let's go have a beer

956
00:41:03,170 --> 00:41:00,839
and you know I mean we might disagree

957
00:41:05,030 --> 00:41:03,180
about things but we're still you know

958
00:41:06,349 --> 00:41:05,040
the best of friends and that's kind of

959
00:41:09,050 --> 00:41:06,359
the way I operate that's kind of

960
00:41:10,910 --> 00:41:09,060
old-fashioned these days but but the

961
00:41:12,530 --> 00:41:10,920
point being I didn't want to do politics

962
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:12,540
I didn't want to be in conflict and I

963
00:41:16,430 --> 00:41:14,400
didn't think I could add anything and I

964
00:41:19,310 --> 00:41:16,440
looked around and said there aren't many

965
00:41:20,810 --> 00:41:19,320
paranormal podcasts which seems amazing

966
00:41:23,089 --> 00:41:20,820
yeah

967
00:41:25,010 --> 00:41:23,099
um and as far as I can tell Jimmy now I

968
00:41:29,150 --> 00:41:25,020
could be I always say this I could be

969
00:41:31,609 --> 00:41:29,160
wrong but as best I can tell I have the

970
00:41:33,589 --> 00:41:31,619
longest continuously running paranormal

971
00:41:35,750 --> 00:41:33,599
podcast on the internet the Paranormal

972
00:41:38,750 --> 00:41:35,760
podcast that's how early it was I got

973
00:41:40,490 --> 00:41:38,760
that name and I ended up trademarking it

974
00:41:42,410 --> 00:41:40,500
but

975
00:41:44,390 --> 00:41:42,420
that's they always say well don't put

976
00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:44,400
podcast in your name and I'm like well I

977
00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:46,560
did it in 2005 so I think I'm Gonna Keep

978
00:41:52,609 --> 00:41:50,400
it but the the point being that it's the

979
00:41:54,589 --> 00:41:52,619
longest continuously running uh

980
00:41:56,810 --> 00:41:54,599
paranormal podcast as best I can tell

981
00:41:59,450 --> 00:41:56,820
it's best because Dave Schrader started

982
00:42:00,890 --> 00:41:59,460
a few months later and you know there

983
00:42:03,829 --> 00:42:00,900
were other people that started three

984
00:42:05,470 --> 00:42:03,839
four five six months later but I think I

985
00:42:09,050 --> 00:42:05,480
think I got that one

986
00:42:13,069 --> 00:42:09,060
I I think you can wear that Crown

987
00:42:16,430 --> 00:42:13,079
um and uh there's when this is

988
00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:16,440
this is my memory

989
00:42:21,349 --> 00:42:18,960
um back then and I was I was making the

990
00:42:22,910 --> 00:42:21,359
changes I knew where I was going I

991
00:42:25,010 --> 00:42:22,920
decided to go into sports because I

992
00:42:28,970 --> 00:42:25,020
thought that would be the the easiest

993
00:42:31,130 --> 00:42:28,980
Road in uh to to radio this is I I was

994
00:42:34,130 --> 00:42:31,140
in podcast you know I wasn't doing that

995
00:42:36,829 --> 00:42:34,140
yet and uh and then I would shift gears

996
00:42:39,109 --> 00:42:36,839
uh later get my foot in the door in

997
00:42:41,810 --> 00:42:39,119
sports and then become you know the

998
00:42:44,750 --> 00:42:41,820
Paranormal guy or the UFO guy that was

999
00:42:48,290 --> 00:42:44,760
my that was my plan actually that's what

1000
00:42:52,670 --> 00:42:48,300
I did in the work but uh the the point

1001
00:42:55,670 --> 00:42:52,680
to all of that is I would go back uh and

1002
00:42:58,490 --> 00:42:55,680
listen to your stuff and I would listen

1003
00:43:00,589 --> 00:42:58,500
to Schrader too uh back in the day uh

1004
00:43:02,870 --> 00:43:00,599
very impressed but I would listen to you

1005
00:43:04,970 --> 00:43:02,880
and go you know

1006
00:43:09,050 --> 00:43:04,980
he's got it

1007
00:43:11,690 --> 00:43:09,060
right Jim Harold's got this delivery

1008
00:43:13,910 --> 00:43:11,700
he's got this style and I really

1009
00:43:17,089 --> 00:43:13,920
appreciate what he's doing and I did I

1010
00:43:21,170 --> 00:43:17,099
studied Dan Patrick and Jim Rome and and

1011
00:43:23,150 --> 00:43:21,180
of course Art Bell and Don Imus whatever

1012
00:43:26,270 --> 00:43:23,160
I was listening to everybody that was on

1013
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:26,280
the radio back then and rush and and

1014
00:43:31,250 --> 00:43:28,560
listen to their tempo

1015
00:43:34,250 --> 00:43:31,260
you know listen to how they interviewed

1016
00:43:38,390 --> 00:43:34,260
people how they answered questions uh

1017
00:43:40,970 --> 00:43:38,400
what the style was and unlike you I was

1018
00:43:41,809 --> 00:43:40,980
frustrated I would go no no no no I

1019
00:43:45,230 --> 00:43:41,819
would have asked that question

1020
00:43:48,410 --> 00:43:45,240
differently making mental notes that I

1021
00:43:52,130 --> 00:43:48,420
was this was the road I was going on and

1022
00:43:54,470 --> 00:43:52,140
then it was the tone and and who had the

1023
00:43:56,809 --> 00:43:54,480
tone and I would go back and and listen

1024
00:43:59,089 --> 00:43:56,819
to you and I still to this day would you

1025
00:44:01,790 --> 00:43:59,099
know I would listen to your delivery

1026
00:44:02,990 --> 00:44:01,800
like right now on on the show and go man

1027
00:44:04,730 --> 00:44:03,000
you know what

1028
00:44:07,550 --> 00:44:04,740
Jim's got it

1029
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:07,560
did you have that voice you know always

1030
00:44:11,750 --> 00:44:09,359
growing up is this something that you

1031
00:44:13,069 --> 00:44:11,760
fine-tuned no I don't think I've got

1032
00:44:15,050 --> 00:44:13,079
that great of a voice I think of

1033
00:44:17,630 --> 00:44:15,060
people's got great big booming voice

1034
00:44:19,490 --> 00:44:17,640
like you and Art Bell had and and people

1035
00:44:21,829 --> 00:44:19,500
like that those are the people and my

1036
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:21,839
one boss who I think he won an award for

1037
00:44:27,290 --> 00:44:24,000
most beautiful voice in America like in

1038
00:44:28,309 --> 00:44:27,300
the 50s uh the one radio station owner I

1039
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:28,319
was telling you about those are the

1040
00:44:33,170 --> 00:44:30,240
people have the great voices I just do

1041
00:44:35,089 --> 00:44:33,180
the best I can with what I've got uh

1042
00:44:38,109 --> 00:44:35,099
what somebody call me the Bob Ross of

1043
00:44:42,970 --> 00:44:41,030
do you hear Nails on the chalkboard

1044
00:44:45,470 --> 00:44:42,980
because I can't listen to myself

1045
00:44:48,109 --> 00:44:45,480
sometimes especially when it's like

1046
00:44:50,990 --> 00:44:48,119
older stuff not not as much now but I'll

1047
00:44:54,349 --> 00:44:51,000
tell you what I do because I'm like you

1048
00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:54,359
I I'm I've always been a student even

1049
00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:57,599
when I was a kid of great broadcasters I

1050
00:45:02,329 --> 00:44:59,520
always I mean going way back we're

1051
00:45:06,349 --> 00:45:02,339
talking Paul Harvey good day

1052
00:45:08,690 --> 00:45:06,359
um Bob Barker and things and and uh the

1053
00:45:10,730 --> 00:45:08,700
other day I was doing an intro for a

1054
00:45:13,370 --> 00:45:10,740
campfire thing and uh and I did

1055
00:45:15,530 --> 00:45:13,380
something like this I'm like uh Mabel's

1056
00:45:17,510 --> 00:45:15,540
on the line and she loves the campfire

1057
00:45:21,670 --> 00:45:17,520
and we love to hear that and I was like

1058
00:45:27,829 --> 00:45:24,829
you know who uh you're doing with Kasem

1059
00:45:30,530 --> 00:45:27,839
too Casey Kasem I did a i you read my

1060
00:45:33,550 --> 00:45:30,540
mind yeah I I'm like and now she's on

1061
00:45:38,290 --> 00:45:33,560
the line tell us our story it's like oh

1062
00:45:41,390 --> 00:45:38,300
I shouldn't I I you know it's ingrained

1063
00:45:43,130 --> 00:45:41,400
when uh going through the 70s and

1064
00:45:46,370 --> 00:45:43,140
listening to

1065
00:45:50,270 --> 00:45:46,380
uh the radio like we all did

1066
00:45:52,790 --> 00:45:50,280
um the one guy that I thought was the

1067
00:45:55,069 --> 00:45:52,800
shiz nickel that was this that was just

1068
00:45:58,550 --> 00:45:55,079
different from ever it was Casey Kasem

1069
00:46:01,370 --> 00:45:58,560
and I just thought he was as smooth as

1070
00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:01,380
butter and uh

1071
00:46:07,750 --> 00:46:05,520
um not that I would ever emulate but he

1072
00:46:11,150 --> 00:46:07,760
had this smoothness

1073
00:46:14,030 --> 00:46:11,160
of and he could turn anything into a

1074
00:46:15,589 --> 00:46:14,040
positive thought and and that that's

1075
00:46:17,870 --> 00:46:15,599
what I really appreciated about Casey

1076
00:46:19,670 --> 00:46:17,880
Kasem he made you his friend yeah

1077
00:46:22,430 --> 00:46:19,680
absolutely and I think that's so

1078
00:46:25,010 --> 00:46:22,440
important it's you know Jimmy some of

1079
00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:25,020
the most gratifying and I I get some of

1080
00:46:28,069 --> 00:46:26,640
them I just got one today I won't go

1081
00:46:29,050 --> 00:46:28,079
into specifics because it's very

1082
00:46:33,349 --> 00:46:29,060
personal

1083
00:46:35,450 --> 00:46:33,359
but they're when you do what we do even

1084
00:46:37,790 --> 00:46:35,460
if like I'm a mid-tier podcaster so I'm

1085
00:46:40,490 --> 00:46:37,800
not reaching the people that a George

1086
00:46:43,730 --> 00:46:40,500
Murray reaches where I'm not reaging the

1087
00:46:46,130 --> 00:46:43,740
people uh that a Casey kasemreach but I

1088
00:46:48,530 --> 00:46:46,140
I reached some people and to those

1089
00:46:50,150 --> 00:46:48,540
people there's a few people who it's

1090
00:46:52,130 --> 00:46:50,160
really important to and you don't know

1091
00:46:55,790 --> 00:46:52,140
maybe somebody's alone

1092
00:46:58,069 --> 00:46:55,800
maybe somebody's uh no dealing with

1093
00:47:00,290 --> 00:46:58,079
something and listening to the shows

1094
00:47:03,109 --> 00:47:00,300
gives them a few minutes of rest or

1095
00:47:04,569 --> 00:47:03,119
maybe something you say you know trigger

1096
00:47:07,309 --> 00:47:04,579
something with them

1097
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:07,319
and I think you've got to always keep

1098
00:47:11,270 --> 00:47:09,599
that in mind that kind of that old

1099
00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:11,280
school remember when radio was supposed

1100
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:13,200
to be in the public service

1101
00:47:15,950 --> 00:47:14,880
I think you gotta think about that a

1102
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:15,960
little bit and you got to be careful

1103
00:47:19,609 --> 00:47:17,760
what you say and you've also got to try

1104
00:47:21,230 --> 00:47:19,619
to be a friend and I I

1105
00:47:23,690 --> 00:47:21,240
you know I really appreciate my

1106
00:47:25,550 --> 00:47:23,700
listeners they they are responsible for

1107
00:47:28,309 --> 00:47:25,560
allowing me to do this really cool job

1108
00:47:31,370 --> 00:47:28,319
so I really do want to be

1109
00:47:34,130 --> 00:47:31,380
friends with them in the sense that I

1110
00:47:36,530 --> 00:47:34,140
want to provide them something that they

1111
00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:36,540
will find entertaining informative and

1112
00:47:41,270 --> 00:47:38,880
valuable to my and I know a lot of times

1113
00:47:44,109 --> 00:47:41,280
through my life when I've been alone my

1114
00:47:47,089 --> 00:47:44,119
best friend was a television or a radio

1115
00:47:48,609 --> 00:47:47,099
and having those people I mean I had my

1116
00:47:52,130 --> 00:47:48,619
times when I was alone

1117
00:47:55,190 --> 00:47:52,140
and uh having those people to turn to

1118
00:47:57,710 --> 00:47:55,200
meant a lot and and I think that in what

1119
00:47:58,630 --> 00:47:57,720
we do it can mean much the same for

1120
00:48:01,190 --> 00:47:58,640
people

1121
00:48:04,730 --> 00:48:01,200
do you feel that

1122
00:48:06,770 --> 00:48:04,740
um some of the best advice that you can

1123
00:48:08,569 --> 00:48:06,780
give to somebody that wants this career

1124
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:08,579
and wants to do this

1125
00:48:13,250 --> 00:48:11,280
is no matter what

1126
00:48:15,410 --> 00:48:13,260
just be yourself

1127
00:48:16,670 --> 00:48:15,420
you're gonna fight it right you're going

1128
00:48:19,490 --> 00:48:16,680
to fight you're going to want to be

1129
00:48:22,309 --> 00:48:19,500
Casey Kasem or Howard Stern right you're

1130
00:48:24,770 --> 00:48:22,319
going to want to be at Jim Harold be

1131
00:48:27,230 --> 00:48:24,780
yourself yeah

1132
00:48:31,430 --> 00:48:27,240
um the hard lesson that I learned from

1133
00:48:35,569 --> 00:48:31,440
this I was with a a very very uh big

1134
00:48:37,730 --> 00:48:35,579
talent agent that represented uh it

1135
00:48:40,130 --> 00:48:37,740
still does the the biggest names in this

1136
00:48:42,950 --> 00:48:40,140
industry okay the

1137
00:48:45,230 --> 00:48:42,960
right okay all right so he kind of takes

1138
00:48:48,290 --> 00:48:45,240
me under his wing and and we go to this

1139
00:48:52,190 --> 00:48:48,300
this get-together in Los Angeles

1140
00:48:54,710 --> 00:48:52,200
and I meet I'm not going to say who I

1141
00:48:56,630 --> 00:48:54,720
meet a very

1142
00:48:59,829 --> 00:48:56,640
especially at that time a very big

1143
00:49:04,270 --> 00:48:59,839
personality right very very big

1144
00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:04,280
and the person that I met

1145
00:49:09,170 --> 00:49:06,960
unkempt greasy

1146
00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:09,180
smelled of like

1147
00:49:15,370 --> 00:49:12,240
red meat and whiskey right I don't know

1148
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:15,380
how to explain it but had a personality

1149
00:49:21,890 --> 00:49:19,200
that was not what was on the radio

1150
00:49:24,349 --> 00:49:21,900
a very aggressive kind of nasty thing

1151
00:49:26,569 --> 00:49:24,359
and I mean and I'm like wait a minute

1152
00:49:29,450 --> 00:49:26,579
I was in love with this person on the

1153
00:49:30,710 --> 00:49:29,460
radio the person that I'm meeting right

1154
00:49:33,230 --> 00:49:30,720
now

1155
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:33,240
the radio's an act

1156
00:49:37,910 --> 00:49:35,040
right now

1157
00:49:40,010 --> 00:49:37,920
um that that right there was the lesson

1158
00:49:41,089 --> 00:49:40,020
that I learned I don't want to be that I

1159
00:49:43,370 --> 00:49:41,099
don't want to be two different people

1160
00:49:46,609 --> 00:49:43,380
you're living two different lives right

1161
00:49:49,670 --> 00:49:46,619
no that's true just be yourself you know

1162
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:49,680
you hang out with me in person it's this

1163
00:49:56,450 --> 00:49:54,240
guy it's this this abrasive doofus is is

1164
00:49:58,309 --> 00:49:56,460
is who you're going to meet in in life

1165
00:50:01,370 --> 00:49:58,319
and I'm not talking down about I'm just

1166
00:50:02,930 --> 00:50:01,380
saying this is just who I am yeah is is

1167
00:50:04,550 --> 00:50:02,940
that the best advice you can give to

1168
00:50:07,250 --> 00:50:04,560
somebody I think it's very good advice

1169
00:50:08,870 --> 00:50:07,260
because the thing is is that it's hard

1170
00:50:11,690 --> 00:50:08,880
to put up a front

1171
00:50:15,349 --> 00:50:11,700
I mean to constantly do that

1172
00:50:18,530 --> 00:50:15,359
you know I mean I will say you know I I

1173
00:50:19,370 --> 00:50:18,540
you know on the on the air I am squeaky

1174
00:50:20,930 --> 00:50:19,380
clean

1175
00:50:22,730 --> 00:50:20,940
you know I'm walking through the house I

1176
00:50:25,130 --> 00:50:22,740
stub my toe I probably have some Choice

1177
00:50:27,349 --> 00:50:25,140
words like most people but in general

1178
00:50:28,849 --> 00:50:27,359
kind of what you see is what you get and

1179
00:50:30,410 --> 00:50:28,859
if you're kind of like boy that nerdy

1180
00:50:32,750 --> 00:50:30,420
guy he doesn't interest me at all it's

1181
00:50:35,630 --> 00:50:32,760
like well that's okay but that's who you

1182
00:50:37,130 --> 00:50:35,640
know that's who I am and

1183
00:50:38,510 --> 00:50:37,140
um so I try to stay true to that

1184
00:50:40,430 --> 00:50:38,520
absolutely and I think that's good

1185
00:50:44,690 --> 00:50:40,440
advice because I think you know what

1186
00:50:47,569 --> 00:50:44,700
I've heard is is that don't try to be a

1187
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:47,579
version of somebody else try to be the

1188
00:50:53,329 --> 00:50:50,640
best version of yourself because there's

1189
00:50:55,970 --> 00:50:53,339
only one you you know there's already a

1190
00:50:58,430 --> 00:50:55,980
Casey Kasem or a Howard Stern or a Rush

1191
00:51:01,190 --> 00:50:58,440
Limbaugh or whoever it might be but

1192
00:51:02,990 --> 00:51:01,200
there's only one you so that's your

1193
00:51:04,609 --> 00:51:03,000
that's your ticket then you just gotta

1194
00:51:08,450 --> 00:51:04,619
figure out how to make the most of who

1195
00:51:10,250 --> 00:51:08,460
you are I had uh I had a friend uh he

1196
00:51:12,290 --> 00:51:10,260
decides he's gonna do podcast live

1197
00:51:15,290 --> 00:51:12,300
streaming whatever doesn't matter this

1198
00:51:18,109 --> 00:51:15,300
is a couple few years ago and he goes

1199
00:51:19,790 --> 00:51:18,119
okay man so I've taped my first show

1200
00:51:22,250 --> 00:51:19,800
this is somebody that I love to hang out

1201
00:51:25,010 --> 00:51:22,260
with Jim he's great great Storyteller

1202
00:51:26,930 --> 00:51:25,020
just great experiences awesome awesome

1203
00:51:29,089 --> 00:51:26,940
Parts fun right

1204
00:51:32,450 --> 00:51:29,099
and he sends me you know his first his

1205
00:51:36,829 --> 00:51:32,460
first podcast is first thing and it was

1206
00:51:38,690 --> 00:51:36,839
the exact opposite and so today right I

1207
00:51:40,430 --> 00:51:38,700
was like wait wait wait what right and

1208
00:51:42,470 --> 00:51:40,440
I'm listening it was painful

1209
00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:42,480
and uh and he couldn't wait to hear back

1210
00:51:46,549 --> 00:51:44,880
from me I called him up I said man

1211
00:51:48,290 --> 00:51:46,559
what are you doing

1212
00:51:49,970 --> 00:51:48,300
well what are you talking about and he

1213
00:51:52,970 --> 00:51:49,980
spent all this time this might you know

1214
00:51:54,170 --> 00:51:52,980
and and and all this effort to just be

1215
00:51:56,089 --> 00:51:54,180
yourself

1216
00:52:00,049 --> 00:51:56,099
the person that I go out to dinner with

1217
00:52:01,010 --> 00:52:00,059
man be that guy what I kind of broke his

1218
00:52:04,910 --> 00:52:01,020
heart

1219
00:52:07,069 --> 00:52:04,920
right I I I I I get that uh a week later

1220
00:52:11,089 --> 00:52:07,079
sends me the new podcast

1221
00:52:14,450 --> 00:52:11,099
so on today's show see that wasn't that

1222
00:52:16,190 --> 00:52:14,460
hard this is this is wonderful and he's

1223
00:52:18,650 --> 00:52:16,200
still doing it to this day and he's

1224
00:52:22,069 --> 00:52:18,660
doing great but the the first run

1225
00:52:24,829 --> 00:52:22,079
through you know and that's you you

1226
00:52:26,329 --> 00:52:24,839
don't want an act right you don't want

1227
00:52:31,790 --> 00:52:26,339
an act you don't want a sideshow just be

1228
00:52:33,410 --> 00:52:31,800
yourself no I agree I agree and um the

1229
00:52:34,370 --> 00:52:33,420
thing is is that

1230
00:52:36,829 --> 00:52:34,380
um

1231
00:52:39,349 --> 00:52:36,839
you know I feel now what I do is so much

1232
00:52:43,010 --> 00:52:39,359
a part of who I am that there is there

1233
00:52:46,069 --> 00:52:43,020
is no division like uh does it make it

1234
00:52:49,490 --> 00:52:46,079
is it is it is it too easy

1235
00:52:51,589 --> 00:52:49,500
no no I don't think I I wouldn't say

1236
00:52:55,549 --> 00:52:51,599
it's easy I work my butt off as I know

1237
00:52:58,130 --> 00:52:55,559
you do too I don't stress right no I

1238
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:58,140
mean in terms of doing on-air stuff

1239
00:53:02,510 --> 00:53:00,480
that's at this point that is the easier

1240
00:53:04,309 --> 00:53:02,520
part not that it can't be improved it

1241
00:53:06,890 --> 00:53:04,319
can always be improved you know I'll

1242
00:53:09,410 --> 00:53:06,900
listen to myself back and say okay stop

1243
00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:09,420
saying you know start stop saying um it

1244
00:53:13,790 --> 00:53:11,520
still drives me crazy I do that kind of

1245
00:53:16,010 --> 00:53:13,800
stuff from time to time I admire people

1246
00:53:18,770 --> 00:53:16,020
who eliminate those Crush crutch words

1247
00:53:21,349 --> 00:53:18,780
out of their vocabulary I think that's a

1248
00:53:24,049 --> 00:53:21,359
key uh broadcasting skill that I still

1249
00:53:27,829 --> 00:53:24,059
haven't learned but the point but the

1250
00:53:29,870 --> 00:53:27,839
but the point is is that that's probably

1251
00:53:31,849 --> 00:53:29,880
and I think that's sometimes what people

1252
00:53:33,530 --> 00:53:31,859
don't understand they say well how can

1253
00:53:36,530 --> 00:53:33,540
how can you make a living doing this

1254
00:53:38,990 --> 00:53:36,540
especially people who don't watch the

1255
00:53:41,030 --> 00:53:39,000
show or listen to the shows and they

1256
00:53:41,930 --> 00:53:41,040
wonder how I do it and they're kind of

1257
00:53:44,270 --> 00:53:41,940
like

1258
00:53:48,170 --> 00:53:44,280
does he have a trust fund or something

1259
00:53:50,030 --> 00:53:48,180
or you know or he doesn't work uh and

1260
00:53:52,130 --> 00:53:50,040
then I'll meet people who will say oh

1261
00:53:54,470 --> 00:53:52,140
I'm gonna start a podcast and you know

1262
00:53:56,329 --> 00:53:54,480
what there have been people there are

1263
00:53:58,609 --> 00:53:56,339
these two um

1264
00:54:00,770 --> 00:53:58,619
people Christine and them from and

1265
00:54:01,609 --> 00:54:00,780
that's why we drink they were fans of my

1266
00:54:05,630 --> 00:54:01,619
show

1267
00:54:08,750 --> 00:54:05,640
they started a podcast and guess what

1268
00:54:12,650 --> 00:54:08,760
they way surpassed me they tour

1269
00:54:14,990 --> 00:54:12,660
they have like 25 City things and they

1270
00:54:16,250 --> 00:54:15,000
start off as fans of mines and God bless

1271
00:54:17,990 --> 00:54:16,260
them good for them and they've always

1272
00:54:19,910 --> 00:54:18,000
been nice and they've never forgotten me

1273
00:54:21,230 --> 00:54:19,920
they always plug my show which I

1274
00:54:24,530 --> 00:54:21,240
appreciate and they've been guests and

1275
00:54:27,890 --> 00:54:24,540
we're friendly and and it's great but

1276
00:54:30,170 --> 00:54:27,900
but the point is is that it can be done

1277
00:54:31,730 --> 00:54:30,180
if you take it seriously and you work

1278
00:54:33,290 --> 00:54:31,740
hard I would never tell anybody not to

1279
00:54:35,329 --> 00:54:33,300
start a podcast not to start a YouTube

1280
00:54:37,609 --> 00:54:35,339
channel whatever it might be I said go

1281
00:54:40,430 --> 00:54:37,619
for it but don't think

1282
00:54:42,530 --> 00:54:40,440
you're just turning on a mic and it's

1283
00:54:45,230 --> 00:54:42,540
just gonna you know it's gonna Skyrocket

1284
00:54:47,630 --> 00:54:45,240
Christine and them

1285
00:54:49,849 --> 00:54:47,640
you know worked incredibly to make that

1286
00:54:51,230 --> 00:54:49,859
happen I've worked incredibly to make

1287
00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:51,240
the little bit that's happened with me

1288
00:54:55,609 --> 00:54:53,760
happen I know you've worked very hard so

1289
00:54:57,290 --> 00:54:55,619
the point is it can be done but don't

1290
00:55:00,650 --> 00:54:57,300
get into your head that I'm just gonna

1291
00:55:03,890 --> 00:55:00,660
start a podcast it took me seven years

1292
00:55:07,250 --> 00:55:03,900
seven years before I went full time I'm

1293
00:55:08,450 --> 00:55:07,260
I'm slow what can I say but

1294
00:55:13,010 --> 00:55:08,460
seven years

1295
00:55:14,089 --> 00:55:13,020
um just like anything else

1296
00:55:19,010 --> 00:55:14,099
um

1297
00:55:22,010 --> 00:55:19,020
you've and nobody else is going to do it

1298
00:55:25,130 --> 00:55:22,020
for you and and when you find that out

1299
00:55:26,510 --> 00:55:25,140
you have to have a work ethic right

1300
00:55:29,329 --> 00:55:26,520
um but I want to go back to your

1301
00:55:30,470 --> 00:55:29,339
paranormal decision we need to uh take a

1302
00:55:32,569 --> 00:55:30,480
break here in a few minutes we don't

1303
00:55:33,950 --> 00:55:32,579
have to do it now I I don't run on the

1304
00:55:36,349 --> 00:55:33,960
clock anymore

1305
00:55:38,270 --> 00:55:36,359
so you know my studio clock is whatever

1306
00:55:41,150 --> 00:55:38,280
I make it today

1307
00:55:44,930 --> 00:55:41,160
um is uh when when you make those

1308
00:55:47,030 --> 00:55:44,940
decisions and uh and you you've got the

1309
00:55:49,609 --> 00:55:47,040
work work ethic and you've got it

1310
00:55:52,190 --> 00:55:49,619
applied and things are you know things

1311
00:55:54,370 --> 00:55:52,200
are working was paranormal the right

1312
00:55:58,730 --> 00:55:54,380
decision right

1313
00:56:02,150 --> 00:55:58,740
absolutely was it was it was it a was it

1314
00:56:08,030 --> 00:56:05,450
I wanted something I wanted to podcast

1315
00:56:11,390 --> 00:56:08,040
on something that really interested me

1316
00:56:13,430 --> 00:56:11,400
right I knew if I did a podcast on

1317
00:56:16,250 --> 00:56:13,440
something

1318
00:56:18,470 --> 00:56:16,260
that I had no or just a passing interest

1319
00:56:19,549 --> 00:56:18,480
in it wouldn't last and I wouldn't stick

1320
00:56:21,170 --> 00:56:19,559
with it

1321
00:56:22,790 --> 00:56:21,180
and the thing was people say oh you

1322
00:56:24,710 --> 00:56:22,800
picked you pick the Paranormal because

1323
00:56:26,750 --> 00:56:24,720
the TV shows were starting about that

1324
00:56:28,670 --> 00:56:26,760
time and it was getting hot it's like

1325
00:56:31,250 --> 00:56:28,680
that had absolutely nothing to do with

1326
00:56:34,490 --> 00:56:31,260
it it was simply because I was because

1327
00:56:37,069 --> 00:56:34,500
again when I started podcasting

1328
00:56:39,170 --> 00:56:37,079
if somebody would have told me

1329
00:56:40,549 --> 00:56:39,180
that you're going to be able to make a

1330
00:56:42,589 --> 00:56:40,559
living at this for at least 10 years

1331
00:56:44,990 --> 00:56:42,599
because you know I'm not one to say hey

1332
00:56:48,109 --> 00:56:45,000
Anything could happen we got a crazy

1333
00:56:50,870 --> 00:56:48,119
economy things can happen with health I

1334
00:56:53,089 --> 00:56:50,880
mean so far so good but I'm always got

1335
00:56:54,829 --> 00:56:53,099
my head on a swivel and always know it

1336
00:56:57,109 --> 00:56:54,839
could all go away

1337
00:56:58,730 --> 00:56:57,119
but my point is if somebody told me you

1338
00:57:01,069 --> 00:56:58,740
could make a living for at least 10

1339
00:57:03,770 --> 00:57:01,079
years doing this I'd say you are joking

1340
00:57:06,109 --> 00:57:03,780
there is no way with this podcasting

1341
00:57:08,270 --> 00:57:06,119
thing so it was primarily

1342
00:57:10,010 --> 00:57:08,280
okay I want to do this podcasting thing

1343
00:57:12,290 --> 00:57:10,020
because I love broadcasting and I can't

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do it professionally and that was what

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am I going to do it on and it was

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something that intensely interested me

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00:57:19,849 --> 00:57:18,240
and for me the Paranormal you know now

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00:57:23,450 --> 00:57:19,859
you say the Paranormal everybody says oh

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00:57:26,329 --> 00:57:23,460
ghosts ghosts ghosts yeah that's one of

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00:57:28,609 --> 00:57:26,339
about like 72 different things but I

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lump into it

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unsolved mystery type stuff Bermuda

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Triangle UFOs alien abduction ghosts

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near-death experiences Coral Castle

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Cryptids Bigfoot Nessie very much like

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in search of where it wasn't just about

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00:57:48,589 --> 00:57:46,740
ghost it was about a whole host of

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00:57:51,230 --> 00:57:48,599
things I'm very old school with that and

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00:57:53,030 --> 00:57:51,240
I get so annoyed when people say oh you

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00:57:56,510 --> 00:57:53,040
do the Paranormal you have a ghost show

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00:57:59,290 --> 00:57:56,520
it's like even campfire it's not just a

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ghost show it's a

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Supernatural Freudian

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show and ghost happened to be a part of

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it

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run out of material Jim Let's uh let's

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take our break right here our guests

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tonight the one and only Jim Harold the

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Paranormal podcast amongst other of

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gonna take a quick Break

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um your host Jimmy church this is Fade

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all right Welcome Back Fade to Black I

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01:01:41,809 --> 01:01:40,799
am your host Jimmy church tonight Our

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01:01:45,710 --> 01:01:41,819
Guest

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01:01:48,710 --> 01:01:45,720
Jim Harold and uh you know uh Jim you're

1450
01:01:52,010 --> 01:01:48,720
with us uh tonight very special night

1451
01:01:54,950 --> 01:01:52,020
tonight it's the end of our ninth year

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01:01:58,010 --> 01:01:54,960
uh ninth anniversary uh tomorrow we

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01:02:01,370 --> 01:01:58,020
start our 10th year of Fade to Black

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01:02:04,130 --> 01:02:01,380
uh I I I'm still humbled and honored

1455
01:02:06,710 --> 01:02:04,140
just to to suggest something like that

1456
01:02:08,930 --> 01:02:06,720
but uh and here you are tonight with us

1457
01:02:10,910 --> 01:02:08,940
on this very special night it makes it

1458
01:02:13,849 --> 01:02:10,920
really cool for me

1459
01:02:16,970 --> 01:02:13,859
um and it's speaking of that

1460
01:02:18,289 --> 01:02:16,980
there's a transition it's so uh and I'm

1461
01:02:21,890 --> 01:02:18,299
talking about

1462
01:02:24,890 --> 01:02:21,900
from audio to video right

1463
01:02:27,829 --> 01:02:24,900
um you uh when you started out how long

1464
01:02:29,569 --> 01:02:27,839
how long did you run with audio only

1465
01:02:31,849 --> 01:02:29,579
well first of all let me say happy

1466
01:02:34,069 --> 01:02:31,859
anniversary and congratulations that's

1467
01:02:36,309 --> 01:02:34,079
uh that's to be commended and I know

1468
01:02:40,190 --> 01:02:36,319
that you've had the live element going

1469
01:02:43,490 --> 01:02:40,200
forever so really super kudos to that

1470
01:02:45,829 --> 01:02:43,500
because that's a whole new aspect uh to

1471
01:02:48,049 --> 01:02:45,839
then just recording something you know

1472
01:02:50,270 --> 01:02:48,059
uh even if it's quote live to tape it's

1473
01:02:53,030 --> 01:02:50,280
a different thing so kudos to you so you

1474
01:02:55,069 --> 01:02:53,040
were asking about uh audio to to video

1475
01:02:57,109 --> 01:02:55,079
well the interesting thing is is that

1476
01:03:01,010 --> 01:02:57,119
I've not really been happy with my video

1477
01:03:04,430 --> 01:03:01,020
efforts but I was very early on in the

1478
01:03:06,710 --> 01:03:04,440
the video ball game for a while uh I did

1479
01:03:09,530 --> 01:03:06,720
a show called the Paranormal report a

1480
01:03:11,030 --> 01:03:09,540
video podcast I think we did almost 200

1481
01:03:14,390 --> 01:03:11,040
episodes of that and that was a video

1482
01:03:16,730 --> 01:03:14,400
podcast uh I originally did it with the

1483
01:03:19,549 --> 01:03:16,740
first host and then uh more recently

1484
01:03:21,770 --> 01:03:19,559
with Micah Hanks okay what year what

1485
01:03:24,230 --> 01:03:21,780
year are we talking gosh I don't even

1486
01:03:28,430 --> 01:03:24,240
know it must have been like 2010 2011.

1487
01:03:32,150 --> 01:03:28,440
okay and that was video and uh we did

1488
01:03:34,069 --> 01:03:32,160
video clips and uh I got away from that

1489
01:03:36,589 --> 01:03:34,079
I think the reason I stopped doing that

1490
01:03:38,870 --> 01:03:36,599
video show was because you know we would

1491
01:03:41,329 --> 01:03:38,880
fully credit and Cobble together these

1492
01:03:44,630 --> 01:03:41,339
clips from very early YouTube and

1493
01:03:47,630 --> 01:03:44,640
different things but there was

1494
01:03:49,789 --> 01:03:47,640
I I like to feel very confident in what

1495
01:03:52,609 --> 01:03:49,799
I'm presenting and a lot of the quality

1496
01:03:54,770 --> 01:03:52,619
of the video clips that I saw were

1497
01:03:57,049 --> 01:03:54,780
either faked or they weren't that

1498
01:03:59,809 --> 01:03:57,059
compelling to me so I got away from

1499
01:04:01,970 --> 01:03:59,819
video uh about two or three years ago

1500
01:04:04,010 --> 01:04:01,980
and loved doing the show with Micah he's

1501
01:04:06,470 --> 01:04:04,020
fantastic and we remain friends and

1502
01:04:08,390 --> 01:04:06,480
we're going on a cruise together here uh

1503
01:04:11,630 --> 01:04:08,400
with some folks coming up in the spring

1504
01:04:13,309 --> 01:04:11,640
as well and uh just did a thing with the

1505
01:04:15,410 --> 01:04:13,319
great astonishing Legends people the

1506
01:04:18,770 --> 01:04:15,420
other night so Mike and I are in con

1507
01:04:21,109 --> 01:04:18,780
Constant Contact which is great

1508
01:04:23,510 --> 01:04:21,119
um so about three years ago I started

1509
01:04:25,309 --> 01:04:23,520
getting in on video again kind of fits

1510
01:04:28,370 --> 01:04:25,319
and starts fits and starts fits and

1511
01:04:30,589 --> 01:04:28,380
starts and uh really next year I want to

1512
01:04:33,349 --> 01:04:30,599
get back to doing video because we've

1513
01:04:35,690 --> 01:04:33,359
got you know a set and we've got cameras

1514
01:04:37,250 --> 01:04:35,700
and equipment and all this stuff so I

1515
01:04:39,049 --> 01:04:37,260
want to do a better job on video and

1516
01:04:40,670 --> 01:04:39,059
that's somewhere where I think Jimmy

1517
01:04:45,470 --> 01:04:40,680
there's a lot of room for me for

1518
01:04:47,270 --> 01:04:45,480
improvement and uh really reaching

1519
01:04:49,250 --> 01:04:47,280
making that connection with the audience

1520
01:04:51,589 --> 01:04:49,260
that I make via audio

1521
01:04:53,710 --> 01:04:51,599
and I think it's doable but I think I

1522
01:04:57,650 --> 01:04:53,720
need to do a better job at it

1523
01:04:59,030 --> 01:04:57,660
uh I started to say I

1524
01:05:02,210 --> 01:04:59,040
um I

1525
01:05:05,450 --> 01:05:02,220
I love radio

1526
01:05:07,309 --> 01:05:05,460
right as a listener you know listening

1527
01:05:10,309 --> 01:05:07,319
in my car listening at home listening

1528
01:05:13,309 --> 01:05:10,319
late at night grew up listening AM radio

1529
01:05:15,470 --> 01:05:13,319
one you remember that white plug I do I

1530
01:05:18,190 --> 01:05:15,480
had one I used to listen to the CBS

1531
01:05:21,230 --> 01:05:18,200
Radio Mystery Theater

1532
01:05:23,089 --> 01:05:21,240
with that little cream-colored yeah

1533
01:05:24,890 --> 01:05:23,099
people of a certain age will know

1534
01:05:27,589 --> 01:05:24,900
exactly what we're talking about and I

1535
01:05:29,690 --> 01:05:27,599
don't see it now you only got one that's

1536
01:05:32,690 --> 01:05:29,700
right it came with it it came with it

1537
01:05:36,770 --> 01:05:32,700
you lose that you're out of luck and

1538
01:05:40,970 --> 01:05:36,780
um and the theater of the mind uh you

1539
01:05:44,150 --> 01:05:40,980
know going back to uh uh you know Long

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01:05:46,130 --> 01:05:44,160
John Neville right or well yeah WRR he

1541
01:05:50,569 --> 01:05:46,140
was really the originator he was the

1542
01:05:52,730 --> 01:05:50,579
originator and great it was about uh you

1543
01:05:55,370 --> 01:05:52,740
know the shadow knows you know all that

1544
01:05:58,370 --> 01:05:55,380
stuff where you're you're building this

1545
01:06:00,109 --> 01:05:58,380
up in your mind which is what uh for me

1546
01:06:04,010 --> 01:06:00,119
with campfire

1547
01:06:07,250 --> 01:06:04,020
um you and and not only your stuff but

1548
01:06:10,670 --> 01:06:07,260
some of the stuff that came later uh uh

1549
01:06:12,470 --> 01:06:10,680
you know Creepypasta right and things

1550
01:06:15,589 --> 01:06:12,480
where you are

1551
01:06:19,670 --> 01:06:15,599
painting your own picture oh yeah so

1552
01:06:22,069 --> 01:06:19,680
that's what I always wanted to do this

1553
01:06:25,849 --> 01:06:22,079
right here what we're doing now this is

1554
01:06:28,670 --> 01:06:25,859
this is the world that we live in today

1555
01:06:33,109 --> 01:06:28,680
um so it's it's not ultimately what I

1556
01:06:38,029 --> 01:06:33,119
want to do I'd rather just have the the

1557
01:06:39,349 --> 01:06:38,039
the audio uh to be the theater and and I

1558
01:06:42,289 --> 01:06:39,359
think that's the most powerful thing

1559
01:06:45,230 --> 01:06:42,299
when you're talking about these these uh

1560
01:06:47,750 --> 01:06:45,240
these subjects and and you do it really

1561
01:06:48,770 --> 01:06:47,760
really well but it's the theater of the

1562
01:06:51,529 --> 01:06:48,780
mind right

1563
01:06:53,329 --> 01:06:51,539
I agree and I will say to me it's like

1564
01:06:55,730 --> 01:06:53,339
if you had if somebody said pick one

1565
01:06:58,569 --> 01:06:55,740
regardless of popularity or not let's

1566
01:07:02,569 --> 01:06:58,579
say you can be equally popular in video

1567
01:07:04,730 --> 01:07:02,579
or equally popular in audio pick one I

1568
01:07:07,430 --> 01:07:04,740
pick audio Yeah I mean we're on the same

1569
01:07:09,609 --> 01:07:07,440
we're on the same page with that but my

1570
01:07:13,309 --> 01:07:09,619
training was in television

1571
01:07:15,109 --> 01:07:13,319
so I I still have it's kind of like you

1572
01:07:17,270 --> 01:07:15,119
know how you have your favorite ice

1573
01:07:20,630 --> 01:07:17,280
cream and then you have like your second

1574
01:07:23,510 --> 01:07:20,640
favorite ice cream and you know if you

1575
01:07:26,990 --> 01:07:23,520
had to pick between the two you know you

1576
01:07:29,510 --> 01:07:27,000
might pick rocky road over vanilla but

1577
01:07:31,370 --> 01:07:29,520
you'd hate to give up vanilla so I want

1578
01:07:33,529 --> 01:07:31,380
to do both I mean if I have to pick one

1579
01:07:35,829 --> 01:07:33,539
in the prior priority and that's what's

1580
01:07:38,630 --> 01:07:35,839
really happened Jimmy with me and video

1581
01:07:40,910 --> 01:07:38,640
as I shared with you before we moved

1582
01:07:43,010 --> 01:07:40,920
about a year and a half ago and anybody

1583
01:07:45,109 --> 01:07:43,020
that does that knows oh what a headache

1584
01:07:48,049 --> 01:07:45,119
that is you move a house you live in 25

1585
01:07:51,109 --> 01:07:48,059
years with the whole family that

1586
01:07:52,549 --> 01:07:51,119
uprooted everything for six months a lot

1587
01:07:54,890 --> 01:07:52,559
of things happened but the one thing

1588
01:07:57,109 --> 01:07:54,900
that didn't happen was I never missed an

1589
01:07:58,430 --> 01:07:57,119
audio show one of the things I'm most

1590
01:08:00,589 --> 01:07:58,440
proud of

1591
01:08:03,710 --> 01:08:00,599
because we have our plus Club

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01:08:05,809 --> 01:08:03,720
and every month we promise the plus club

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01:08:07,730 --> 01:08:05,819
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1594
01:08:09,950 --> 01:08:07,740
episodes a month another 30 minutes a

1595
01:08:12,829 --> 01:08:09,960
piece they're not real long shows but

1596
01:08:15,529 --> 01:08:12,839
eight eight additional in in addition to

1597
01:08:17,269 --> 01:08:15,539
the back catalog they get access to okay

1598
01:08:20,590 --> 01:08:17,279
so I popped there a little bit sorry

1599
01:08:23,630 --> 01:08:20,600
about that I ordered a Wednesday

1600
01:08:25,849 --> 01:08:23,640
yeah yeah I popped there that annoys me

1601
01:08:27,410 --> 01:08:25,859
see that annoys me I have the windscreen

1602
01:08:29,510 --> 01:08:27,420
on order because it's been bothering me

1603
01:08:31,849 --> 01:08:29,520
but anyway

1604
01:08:33,789 --> 01:08:31,859
um the the point is the one thing that

1605
01:08:37,370 --> 01:08:33,799
I've never missed since February of 2011

1606
01:08:40,189 --> 01:08:37,380
including uh the death of my mom my wife

1607
01:08:42,289 --> 01:08:40,199
having cancer uh all these and she's

1608
01:08:43,789 --> 01:08:42,299
thank God she's in great shape now

1609
01:08:46,070 --> 01:08:43,799
everything worked out fine she had

1610
01:08:47,510 --> 01:08:46,080
thyroid cancer but a lot of you know a

1611
01:08:49,490 --> 01:08:47,520
lot of stuff when you have two kids

1612
01:08:51,709 --> 01:08:49,500
you're married you have elderly parents

1613
01:08:54,530 --> 01:08:51,719
a lot of stuff happens at this time in

1614
01:08:56,990 --> 01:08:54,540
our kind of age our stage of life

1615
01:08:59,630 --> 01:08:57,000
now this could change something horrible

1616
01:09:01,910 --> 01:08:59,640
could happen but since February of 2011

1617
01:09:05,329 --> 01:09:01,920
I've never missed those eight extra

1618
01:09:09,849 --> 01:09:05,339
episodes a month not one month not one

1619
01:09:12,470 --> 01:09:09,859
month audio is never missed I make

1620
01:09:14,749 --> 01:09:12,480
occasionally take an episode off I think

1621
01:09:17,030 --> 01:09:14,759
the Paranormal podcast is taking the

1622
01:09:20,450 --> 01:09:17,040
first episode off uh the first week of

1623
01:09:22,550 --> 01:09:20,460
January for like a year but uh we never

1624
01:09:24,349 --> 01:09:22,560
we don't mess with audio and that's the

1625
01:09:25,910 --> 01:09:24,359
first priority and that's why something

1626
01:09:27,729 --> 01:09:25,920
had to go into something was video

1627
01:09:30,410 --> 01:09:27,739
long-winded answer

1628
01:09:33,829 --> 01:09:30,420
well no there there's something to be

1629
01:09:36,289 --> 01:09:33,839
said about that and and how

1630
01:09:39,050 --> 01:09:36,299
um I understood I'm I'm saying this for

1631
01:09:42,530 --> 01:09:39,060
the audience not for me

1632
01:09:43,610 --> 01:09:42,540
um in that uh uh during the week you

1633
01:09:46,370 --> 01:09:43,620
know Monday through Friday Monday

1634
01:09:49,130 --> 01:09:46,380
through Thursday I'm doing this and then

1635
01:09:51,650 --> 01:09:49,140
on the weekends I'm over doing coast to

1636
01:09:55,070 --> 01:09:51,660
coast and I did that for six almost

1637
01:09:59,390 --> 01:09:55,080
seven years and coast to coast is audio

1638
01:10:01,970 --> 01:09:59,400
only right so I'm able to go in there

1639
01:10:03,590 --> 01:10:01,980
and I'm not thinking about the size of

1640
01:10:06,169 --> 01:10:03,600
the audience or anything else or the

1641
01:10:08,630 --> 01:10:06,179
nice Studio no it's it's just me in this

1642
01:10:11,450 --> 01:10:08,640
microphone right that's it that's all I

1643
01:10:15,229 --> 01:10:11,460
have to to to to deal with and my mind

1644
01:10:19,430 --> 01:10:15,239
would work differently and I I'd go back

1645
01:10:20,510 --> 01:10:19,440
to uh Fade to Black now I've got I've

1646
01:10:22,010 --> 01:10:20,520
got to make sure I wear a different

1647
01:10:23,209 --> 01:10:22,020
shirt every day I got to make sure that

1648
01:10:25,010 --> 01:10:23,219
I've shaved I got to make sure that I

1649
01:10:26,750 --> 01:10:25,020
brush my teeth I got to make sure that I

1650
01:10:28,430 --> 01:10:26,760
don't pick my nose I gotta make sure

1651
01:10:29,870 --> 01:10:28,440
that my hair is right I got to make sure

1652
01:10:33,830 --> 01:10:29,880
I got to make sure all the things that

1653
01:10:38,030 --> 01:10:33,840
have nothing to do with the show

1654
01:10:41,030 --> 01:10:38,040
right and and your mind is is in other

1655
01:10:44,209 --> 01:10:41,040
places so for the audience I I really

1656
01:10:45,709 --> 01:10:44,219
felt that in in a weird way they're

1657
01:10:47,689 --> 01:10:45,719
getting cheated like they're getting my

1658
01:10:49,550 --> 01:10:47,699
best over on Coast because I don't have

1659
01:10:51,229 --> 01:10:49,560
to think about this stuff and then over

1660
01:10:53,390 --> 01:10:51,239
on Fade to Black I'm concerned about how

1661
01:10:57,950 --> 01:10:53,400
these lights right are they

1662
01:11:01,189 --> 01:10:57,960
um and so uh what I decided to do

1663
01:11:04,130 --> 01:11:01,199
was not look at this right I I don't

1664
01:11:06,950 --> 01:11:04,140
care about my background I don't care if

1665
01:11:08,810 --> 01:11:06,960
I've shaved I don't care if I wear the

1666
01:11:11,090 --> 01:11:08,820
same shirt two days in a row I don't

1667
01:11:14,209 --> 01:11:11,100
care what I look like you know I care

1668
01:11:17,810 --> 01:11:14,219
about my guest and and this microphone

1669
01:11:20,390 --> 01:11:17,820
and and I've tried to keep that into the

1670
01:11:22,669 --> 01:11:20,400
theater of the Mind aspect of this and

1671
01:11:25,310 --> 01:11:22,679
so we run two versions of the show one

1672
01:11:27,770 --> 01:11:25,320
is audio one is video you get to take

1673
01:11:31,010 --> 01:11:27,780
your pick so and I try not to run

1674
01:11:32,570 --> 01:11:31,020
Graphics try not to run if I run a video

1675
01:11:35,149 --> 01:11:32,580
here's the thing

1676
01:11:39,410 --> 01:11:35,159
and you had the same issue right with

1677
01:11:43,669 --> 01:11:39,420
with what you do if you run

1678
01:11:45,530 --> 01:11:43,679
uh a video a picture an image or

1679
01:11:48,530 --> 01:11:45,540
something that supports the show or

1680
01:11:52,250 --> 01:11:48,540
something that uh somebody has sent you

1681
01:11:55,310 --> 01:11:52,260
a a a a story and maybe they've drawn a

1682
01:11:57,470 --> 01:11:55,320
picture of it right of the entity that

1683
01:11:59,750 --> 01:11:57,480
they've seen when somebody's listening

1684
01:12:02,149 --> 01:11:59,760
to the audio version of that or they're

1685
01:12:04,430 --> 01:12:02,159
not watching they're listening no you're

1686
01:12:07,310 --> 01:12:04,440
right you know they get cheated on that

1687
01:12:09,169 --> 01:12:07,320
I've kind of made a similar decision in

1688
01:12:12,169 --> 01:12:09,179
the sense that whatever I do next year

1689
01:12:15,110 --> 01:12:12,179
in video for the most part is probably

1690
01:12:18,530 --> 01:12:15,120
going to be video only in other words

1691
01:12:21,110 --> 01:12:18,540
I'm not going to have a a audio version

1692
01:12:23,630 --> 01:12:21,120
of it so be because I mean for example I

1693
01:12:25,970 --> 01:12:23,640
I mean I've got all the programs I've

1694
01:12:28,010 --> 01:12:25,980
got the stream deck here with 32 buttons

1695
01:12:31,189 --> 01:12:28,020
I can live switch and show stuff that

1696
01:12:32,149 --> 01:12:31,199
you used to have a satellite truck for I

1697
01:12:33,830 --> 01:12:32,159
mean

1698
01:12:36,709 --> 01:12:33,840
um stream yard I like stream yard I use

1699
01:12:38,209 --> 01:12:36,719
another program ecam you can have stuff

1700
01:12:40,610 --> 01:12:38,219
flying in you can make it look almost

1701
01:12:42,169 --> 01:12:40,620
like network television but to your

1702
01:12:43,430 --> 01:12:42,179
point when you're pushing all those

1703
01:12:45,649 --> 01:12:43,440
buttons

1704
01:12:47,570 --> 01:12:45,659
and you're like oh did that little thing

1705
01:12:48,950 --> 01:12:47,580
that little animation go across or

1706
01:12:50,930 --> 01:12:48,960
wherever it was you're not thinking

1707
01:12:52,310 --> 01:12:50,940
about the content you're not thinking

1708
01:12:53,810 --> 01:12:52,320
about the guest you're not thinking

1709
01:12:56,630 --> 01:12:53,820
about the subject you're thinking about

1710
01:12:58,550 --> 01:12:56,640
oh did that little uh you know did that

1711
01:13:01,550 --> 01:12:58,560
little thing go across the the little

1712
01:13:03,950 --> 01:13:01,560
scroll did that go across you know

1713
01:13:08,149 --> 01:13:03,960
um what I find it's really useful for uh

1714
01:13:10,729 --> 01:13:08,159
we do these uh live parties uh we did

1715
01:13:13,550 --> 01:13:10,739
one for Halloween and me about 3 000

1716
01:13:15,770 --> 01:13:13,560
people who watched it and not huge

1717
01:13:18,050 --> 01:13:15,780
numbers by YouTube standards and then

1718
01:13:19,490 --> 01:13:18,060
we're gonna do one this Saturday if

1719
01:13:21,890 --> 01:13:19,500
anybody wants to check it out seven to

1720
01:13:25,130 --> 01:13:21,900
nine PM Eastern and it's gonna be

1721
01:13:28,010 --> 01:13:25,140
actually My Wife and Kids come on and we

1722
01:13:30,950 --> 01:13:28,020
have trivia and stuff and that's fun but

1723
01:13:32,750 --> 01:13:30,960
that's different because we are doing it

1724
01:13:35,090 --> 01:13:32,760
in such a way that we're having a party

1725
01:13:37,250 --> 01:13:35,100
and we may touch on some paranormal

1726
01:13:39,350 --> 01:13:37,260
topics and things but it's more of a

1727
01:13:42,590 --> 01:13:39,360
community building thing and I think

1728
01:13:45,110 --> 01:13:42,600
that that's probably for me

1729
01:13:47,930 --> 01:13:45,120
better use of video and I'm gonna maybe

1730
01:13:50,270 --> 01:13:47,940
do some of that uh next year on a more

1731
01:13:53,209 --> 01:13:50,280
regular basis and that's why I'm looking

1732
01:13:55,010 --> 01:13:53,219
at it not doing the Paranormal podcast a

1733
01:13:57,590 --> 01:13:55,020
video version not doing a video version

1734
01:13:59,450 --> 01:13:57,600
a campfire but maybe doing something

1735
01:14:01,310 --> 01:13:59,460
else

1736
01:14:03,110 --> 01:14:01,320
um and we'll see where it goes by

1737
01:14:06,290 --> 01:14:03,120
definitely plan on doing more video next

1738
01:14:10,010 --> 01:14:06,300
year what do you think uh let me scroll

1739
01:14:11,930 --> 01:14:10,020
back so I can uh get this accurate here

1740
01:14:13,970 --> 01:14:11,940
hold on for a second that's one of the

1741
01:14:17,149 --> 01:14:13,980
things I love about this audience is the

1742
01:14:21,470 --> 01:14:17,159
engagement uh the difficult part about

1743
01:14:24,709 --> 01:14:21,480
all this engagement is finding sorry the

1744
01:14:27,350 --> 01:14:24,719
comments yeah okay they've been there

1745
01:14:29,030 --> 01:14:27,360
um it's from Michael Michael says what

1746
01:14:32,090 --> 01:14:29,040
will be the next big thing what's going

1747
01:14:33,770 --> 01:14:32,100
to be bigger than podcast and

1748
01:14:36,110 --> 01:14:33,780
um and I think that's uh here I'll put

1749
01:14:38,510 --> 01:14:36,120
this aside since you did you did you not

1750
01:14:41,030 --> 01:14:38,520
see a gym there you go I see it now yeah

1751
01:14:44,649 --> 01:14:41,040
okay is

1752
01:14:46,850 --> 01:14:44,659
um uh I mean there was was a time when

1753
01:14:49,550 --> 01:14:46,860
CDs weren't around

1754
01:14:51,890 --> 01:14:49,560
now CDs are gone right there was a time

1755
01:14:55,010 --> 01:14:51,900
there were no DVDs there was a time when

1756
01:14:58,189 --> 01:14:55,020
there was no VHS right all that stuff is

1757
01:15:00,229 --> 01:14:58,199
come and gone there was a time when

1758
01:15:02,870 --> 01:15:00,239
there wasn't a YouTube there was a time

1759
01:15:06,110 --> 01:15:02,880
before live streaming when we thought

1760
01:15:08,750 --> 01:15:06,120
that DirecTV and cable was as big yeah

1761
01:15:12,050 --> 01:15:08,760
that was the Apex yes that was the Apex

1762
01:15:14,149 --> 01:15:12,060
uh We've certainly moved on from that

1763
01:15:16,610 --> 01:15:14,159
what would be the next big thing

1764
01:15:18,410 --> 01:15:16,620
well one thing that I think and it may

1765
01:15:20,030 --> 01:15:18,420
not be in time for us because they

1766
01:15:21,470 --> 01:15:20,040
really got to get the technology right

1767
01:15:23,870 --> 01:15:21,480
and I still don't think it's right if

1768
01:15:26,630 --> 01:15:23,880
you look at things like meta and things

1769
01:15:29,270 --> 01:15:26,640
I think that virtual reality first of

1770
01:15:31,450 --> 01:15:29,280
all I think podcasting in some form will

1771
01:15:33,950 --> 01:15:31,460
continue just like radio will continue

1772
01:15:36,410 --> 01:15:33,960
uh but that doesn't mean there could be

1773
01:15:39,050 --> 01:15:36,420
other additive things and I do think

1774
01:15:40,430 --> 01:15:39,060
it's interesting you know for example I

1775
01:15:42,410 --> 01:15:40,440
do think there's something unique about

1776
01:15:43,729 --> 01:15:42,420
being face to face I know during your

1777
01:15:45,950 --> 01:15:43,739
break there you were talking about a lot

1778
01:15:48,830 --> 01:15:45,960
of great conferences you're doing but I

1779
01:15:51,470 --> 01:15:48,840
think there is an opportunity with

1780
01:15:54,169 --> 01:15:51,480
something like virtual reality to do

1781
01:15:56,090 --> 01:15:54,179
something eventually that may not be

1782
01:15:58,970 --> 01:15:56,100
quite like being there but it'll be

1783
01:16:00,770 --> 01:15:58,980
better than zoom and I think those kind

1784
01:16:02,330 --> 01:16:00,780
of possibilities will be very

1785
01:16:04,970 --> 01:16:02,340
interesting

1786
01:16:07,250 --> 01:16:04,980
um where I live what are you thinking

1787
01:16:08,689 --> 01:16:07,260
here I mean well well I'll tell you what

1788
01:16:11,930 --> 01:16:08,699
I'm thinking

1789
01:16:13,790 --> 01:16:11,940
um for example where I live uh I move we

1790
01:16:18,229 --> 01:16:13,800
do not have fiber internet we have cable

1791
01:16:20,030 --> 01:16:18,239
internet and I I I'm I I'm complaining

1792
01:16:22,370 --> 01:16:20,040
to the city and and other people are

1793
01:16:24,290 --> 01:16:22,380
trying to get fiber internet but the

1794
01:16:26,510 --> 01:16:24,300
thing is you need that bandwidth because

1795
01:16:28,490 --> 01:16:26,520
eventually what's going to happen from a

1796
01:16:30,649 --> 01:16:28,500
business sense Jimmy and I know Cisco

1797
01:16:32,870 --> 01:16:30,659
was working on telepresence years ago I

1798
01:16:34,189 --> 01:16:32,880
think it's going to be you walk into a

1799
01:16:36,410 --> 01:16:34,199
room it could be a room in your house

1800
01:16:37,970 --> 01:16:36,420
you have a table and it's going to look

1801
01:16:40,310 --> 01:16:37,980
like the person sitting right next to

1802
01:16:42,649 --> 01:16:40,320
you or I think about the beautiful kind

1803
01:16:44,630 --> 01:16:42,659
of family implications it you know it's

1804
01:16:47,090 --> 01:16:44,640
always better to be face to face and

1805
01:16:48,770 --> 01:16:47,100
together you can never replace that but

1806
01:16:52,130 --> 01:16:48,780
wouldn't it be nice if you can't have

1807
01:16:53,570 --> 01:16:52,140
that to have like a living area where it

1808
01:16:55,310 --> 01:16:53,580
could appear your grandchildren are

1809
01:16:57,470 --> 01:16:55,320
there or your kids and you could talk

1810
01:16:59,570 --> 01:16:57,480
back and forth and communicate with

1811
01:17:01,430 --> 01:16:59,580
bandwidth and things and the way things

1812
01:17:04,130 --> 01:17:01,440
are going to increase I think that will

1813
01:17:05,290 --> 01:17:04,140
eventually be possible by extension it

1814
01:17:08,270 --> 01:17:05,300
could be

1815
01:17:11,450 --> 01:17:08,280
virtual events at the next level not

1816
01:17:14,110 --> 01:17:11,460
zoom not two boxes or 16 boxes on a

1817
01:17:17,030 --> 01:17:14,120
screen but we're in a room in our home

1818
01:17:19,070 --> 01:17:17,040
but whether it's through the display or

1819
01:17:22,970 --> 01:17:19,080
use of things like Holograms

1820
01:17:24,950 --> 01:17:22,980
that you will have the sense of being

1821
01:17:27,590 --> 01:17:24,960
with a group of people

1822
01:17:29,390 --> 01:17:27,600
and I think for the Paranormal it would

1823
01:17:31,550 --> 01:17:29,400
be great to see lend them out in the

1824
01:17:34,189 --> 01:17:31,560
house speak at one of those if you can't

1825
01:17:36,830 --> 01:17:34,199
go to a conference it's not going to be

1826
01:17:38,750 --> 01:17:36,840
the same but it would be very nice it

1827
01:17:40,790 --> 01:17:38,760
would be great you're saying not 2D you

1828
01:17:43,510 --> 01:17:40,800
know not this no it would be an

1829
01:17:45,530 --> 01:17:43,520
environment yes

1830
01:17:48,410 --> 01:17:45,540
and you you're right you would be

1831
01:17:51,470 --> 01:17:48,420
sitting on a chair next to me right now

1832
01:17:53,330 --> 01:17:51,480
wow the question is will that be in time

1833
01:17:56,270 --> 01:17:53,340
for us Jimmy I don't know

1834
01:17:59,149 --> 01:17:56,280
I don't know but you ask me what I think

1835
01:18:01,729 --> 01:17:59,159
another possibility for all of this

1836
01:18:03,410 --> 01:18:01,739
stuff and another extension and I think

1837
01:18:06,290 --> 01:18:03,420
that would be

1838
01:18:09,709 --> 01:18:06,300
you know pretty neat pretty slick

1839
01:18:11,450 --> 01:18:09,719
so somebody could be like your father

1840
01:18:13,669 --> 01:18:11,460
and could punch me

1841
01:18:14,380 --> 01:18:13,679
but it would go through me yeah

1842
01:18:17,450 --> 01:18:14,390
basically

1843
01:18:21,350 --> 01:18:17,460
[Laughter]

1844
01:18:23,930 --> 01:18:21,360
that's a that's that's it it it's cool

1845
01:18:25,669 --> 01:18:23,940
but it's kind of creepy at the same time

1846
01:18:28,970 --> 01:18:25,679
oh yeah

1847
01:18:30,709 --> 01:18:28,980
yeah but I think I mean I think that's

1848
01:18:32,510 --> 01:18:30,719
where we're headed I think that's where

1849
01:18:33,649 --> 01:18:32,520
we're headed but I don't think that it's

1850
01:18:35,450 --> 01:18:33,659
gonna be a thing that happens in the

1851
01:18:37,130 --> 01:18:35,460
next five or ten years I think we're

1852
01:18:38,630 --> 01:18:37,140
talking 20 30 years down the road by

1853
01:18:42,110 --> 01:18:38,640
that time I'll be

1854
01:18:46,189 --> 01:18:42,120
on Social Security uh but if it's still

1855
01:18:48,070 --> 01:18:46,199
around that is but but uh I I think it's

1856
01:18:53,149 --> 01:18:48,080
coming now

1857
01:18:55,910 --> 01:18:53,159
the uh once you are aware

1858
01:18:58,070 --> 01:18:55,920
of of ghosts and the possibilities and

1859
01:18:59,510 --> 01:18:58,080
spirits and the Paranormal and and that

1860
01:19:02,030 --> 01:18:59,520
umbrella that you just described right

1861
01:19:04,130 --> 01:19:02,040
everything is underneath that

1862
01:19:06,169 --> 01:19:04,140
um in search of right you've got you've

1863
01:19:08,750 --> 01:19:06,179
got everything in front of you yeah um

1864
01:19:12,169 --> 01:19:08,760
because you have that awareness

1865
01:19:14,030 --> 01:19:12,179
do you see things now I don't see full

1866
01:19:17,209 --> 01:19:14,040
body and apparitions or anything like

1867
01:19:19,189 --> 01:19:17,219
that but I have synchronicities I think

1868
01:19:21,709 --> 01:19:19,199
I told this story on your show I may or

1869
01:19:25,610 --> 01:19:21,719
may not have told it many times and this

1870
01:19:29,270 --> 01:19:25,620
is one of those stories that the skeptic

1871
01:19:31,130 --> 01:19:29,280
would say mere coincidence I would say I

1872
01:19:33,470 --> 01:19:31,140
think it was Yogi Bear it said too much

1873
01:19:34,550 --> 01:19:33,480
of a coincidence to be a coincidence

1874
01:19:36,590 --> 01:19:34,560
foreign

1875
01:19:39,830 --> 01:19:36,600
I was on a cruise a paranormal Cruise

1876
01:19:41,229 --> 01:19:39,840
Rosemary Ellen giley Micah Hanks myself

1877
01:19:44,930 --> 01:19:41,239
some other people

1878
01:19:47,930 --> 01:19:44,940
and uh we were doing the little talks in

1879
01:19:50,209 --> 01:19:47,940
the little conference room and the ship

1880
01:19:52,070 --> 01:19:50,219
was designed so as the casino was right

1881
01:19:53,149 --> 01:19:52,080
next to the conference room so to get to

1882
01:19:55,490 --> 01:19:53,159
the conference room you had to go

1883
01:19:57,229 --> 01:19:55,500
through the casino and I was about ready

1884
01:19:59,149 --> 01:19:57,239
to speak and I had a sore throat

1885
01:20:01,729 --> 01:19:59,159
unfortunately I had a cold for the whole

1886
01:20:03,649 --> 01:20:01,739
Cruise which this is pre-covered this is

1887
01:20:05,450 --> 01:20:03,659
when it was really a cold

1888
01:20:07,610 --> 01:20:05,460
but I thought oh I'll go get some coffee

1889
01:20:10,070 --> 01:20:07,620
warm up the old pipes

1890
01:20:13,490 --> 01:20:10,080
so I came back and there was one of

1891
01:20:15,649 --> 01:20:13,500
these huge machines that had money in it

1892
01:20:17,209 --> 01:20:15,659
and it had the claw that came down and

1893
01:20:19,850 --> 01:20:17,219
you would grab it and try to grab money

1894
01:20:23,570 --> 01:20:19,860
and one of the the attendees of the

1895
01:20:25,910 --> 01:20:23,580
conference of our group was uh was there

1896
01:20:28,130 --> 01:20:25,920
playing it and this very intense thought

1897
01:20:30,229 --> 01:20:28,140
about my late uncle that I told you

1898
01:20:33,169 --> 01:20:30,239
about earlier because he was truly like

1899
01:20:35,090 --> 01:20:33,179
a second dad to me he really was uh and

1900
01:20:37,570 --> 01:20:35,100
I don't even think my dad would take any

1901
01:20:41,149 --> 01:20:37,580
kind of offense to that he really was

1902
01:20:42,950 --> 01:20:41,159
and uh this was 2017 he passed away in

1903
01:20:44,870 --> 01:20:42,960
2013.

1904
01:20:47,209 --> 01:20:44,880
and I had this intense thought of him I

1905
01:20:49,090 --> 01:20:47,219
said oh I wish he were here because he

1906
01:20:52,490 --> 01:20:49,100
used to love to play these things Jimmy

1907
01:20:53,930 --> 01:20:52,500
at like uh Walmart or wherever where

1908
01:20:56,090 --> 01:20:53,940
they would have it with the stuffed toys

1909
01:20:57,590 --> 01:20:56,100
he would love to he'd put ten dollars in

1910
01:21:00,290 --> 01:20:57,600
wouldn't even think about to try to win

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01:21:03,169 --> 01:21:00,300
a little stupid 99 Cent made in China

1912
01:21:04,970 --> 01:21:03,179
piece of junk just for the the support

1913
01:21:07,189 --> 01:21:04,980
of it and then he would probably give it

1914
01:21:09,350 --> 01:21:07,199
to a little kid you know

1915
01:21:11,209 --> 01:21:09,360
um so anyway and plus he liked to like

1916
01:21:13,850 --> 01:21:11,219
low stakes gamble you know he liked to

1917
01:21:15,590 --> 01:21:13,860
buy scratch off lottery tickets or Lotto

1918
01:21:17,630 --> 01:21:15,600
or play the football pool when he was

1919
01:21:19,430 --> 01:21:17,640
working so I thought he would love this

1920
01:21:21,410 --> 01:21:19,440
not only is he getting to play his claw

1921
01:21:23,270 --> 01:21:21,420
game but he'd get to you know try to win

1922
01:21:25,370 --> 01:21:23,280
money now of course he would almost

1923
01:21:28,970 --> 01:21:25,380
certainly lose but he'd have a heck of a

1924
01:21:31,430 --> 01:21:28,980
time man I I just wish he were here

1925
01:21:33,110 --> 01:21:31,440
woman walks up to the machine next to

1926
01:21:34,610 --> 01:21:33,120
the machine this guy's playing it she

1927
01:21:36,590 --> 01:21:34,620
cups her hand over her mouth and she

1928
01:21:39,169 --> 01:21:36,600
goes John

1929
01:21:44,149 --> 01:21:39,179
John

1930
01:21:48,709 --> 01:21:44,159
up but the thing is you know who else

1931
01:21:53,570 --> 01:21:49,910
now

1932
01:21:56,149 --> 01:21:53,580
some people would say mere coincidence

1933
01:21:57,950 --> 01:21:56,159
I say

1934
01:22:00,709 --> 01:21:57,960
um

1935
01:22:02,810 --> 01:22:00,719
the pieces were put in place

1936
01:22:05,390 --> 01:22:02,820
somehow some way I don't know if it was

1937
01:22:08,030 --> 01:22:05,400
God a higher power if it was my uncle

1938
01:22:10,790 --> 01:22:08,040
guardian angel

1939
01:22:14,030 --> 01:22:10,800
that said you had this deep recognition

1940
01:22:15,950 --> 01:22:14,040
of love and thought of your uncle

1941
01:22:17,510 --> 01:22:15,960
and he's showing the same thing back to

1942
01:22:19,370 --> 01:22:17,520
you and that's the way I took it and

1943
01:22:20,810 --> 01:22:19,380
that to me is a paranormal experience

1944
01:22:23,470 --> 01:22:20,820
now some people would say no you didn't

1945
01:22:27,530 --> 01:22:25,250
why

1946
01:22:30,709 --> 01:22:27,540
see I I get it

1947
01:22:32,630 --> 01:22:30,719
and probably a large uh part of this

1948
01:22:35,510 --> 01:22:32,640
community listening right now they would

1949
01:22:37,729 --> 01:22:35,520
go yeah okay cool I get it

1950
01:22:39,890 --> 01:22:37,739
so many don't

1951
01:22:42,950 --> 01:22:39,900
they don't pay attention to

1952
01:22:46,490 --> 01:22:42,960
synchronicities into coincidences and

1953
01:22:50,090 --> 01:22:46,500
they don't wonder about the world

1954
01:22:52,550 --> 01:22:50,100
right that their existence is driving to

1955
01:22:54,110 --> 01:22:52,560
work and collecting a paycheck and you

1956
01:22:56,510 --> 01:22:54,120
know making sure you've got health

1957
01:22:58,910 --> 01:22:56,520
insurance and covering the mortgage and

1958
01:23:00,830 --> 01:22:58,920
then doing that five days a week and

1959
01:23:03,410 --> 01:23:00,840
then turning around and doing it again

1960
01:23:06,050 --> 01:23:03,420
but they're driving to work every day

1961
01:23:09,590 --> 01:23:06,060
not thinking about these things and

1962
01:23:11,510 --> 01:23:09,600
allowing those coincidences right no I

1963
01:23:13,010 --> 01:23:11,520
think that I think that's true but that

1964
01:23:16,010 --> 01:23:13,020
doesn't mean they're bad people that

1965
01:23:18,890 --> 01:23:16,020
just means you know life is tough I mean

1966
01:23:21,350 --> 01:23:18,900
you know

1967
01:23:23,149 --> 01:23:21,360
you you when you're young you got to

1968
01:23:24,890 --> 01:23:23,159
figure out your way in your world you

1969
01:23:26,930 --> 01:23:24,900
got to make a living you got to figure

1970
01:23:29,390 --> 01:23:26,940
out what you're gonna do who your life

1971
01:23:31,250 --> 01:23:29,400
partner is going to be you know that's

1972
01:23:33,890 --> 01:23:31,260
challenging then you get into middle age

1973
01:23:35,930 --> 01:23:33,900
and man it's you know you're usually you

1974
01:23:37,850 --> 01:23:35,940
have a spouse you might have a couple

1975
01:23:40,550 --> 01:23:37,860
kids you got a house you're paying a

1976
01:23:42,350 --> 01:23:40,560
mortgage on your your boss is giving you

1977
01:23:47,390 --> 01:23:42,360
a hard time

1978
01:23:49,430 --> 01:23:47,400
and uh then you're elderly and uh you

1979
01:23:52,370 --> 01:23:49,440
know you're worrying about taking your

1980
01:23:54,590 --> 01:23:52,380
medicine and you're you're failing your

1981
01:23:57,530 --> 01:23:54,600
health is failing and your your

1982
01:23:59,149 --> 01:23:57,540
colleagues are passing away or your

1983
01:24:01,729 --> 01:23:59,159
contemporaries

1984
01:24:04,669 --> 01:24:01,739
there's a lot of crap that goes on with

1985
01:24:06,169 --> 01:24:04,679
life Jimmy and I totally get it if if

1986
01:24:09,649 --> 01:24:06,179
somebody

1987
01:24:11,030 --> 01:24:09,659
doesn't see the need to tap into these

1988
01:24:12,470 --> 01:24:11,040
things but I would say this I think

1989
01:24:14,410 --> 01:24:12,480
they're missing a lot I think they're

1990
01:24:17,090 --> 01:24:14,420
missing a lot okay okay okay

1991
01:24:22,610 --> 01:24:17,100
and I'm sorry that I just interrupted

1992
01:24:29,030 --> 01:24:24,229
they

1993
01:24:32,270 --> 01:24:29,040
that have dismissed

1994
01:24:35,149 --> 01:24:32,280
the wonderment about what may be right

1995
01:24:39,370 --> 01:24:35,159
in the world and the universe are now

1996
01:24:43,490 --> 01:24:39,380
being told uh on those news broadcasts

1997
01:24:46,790 --> 01:24:43,500
and uh social media and wherever they

1998
01:24:50,350 --> 01:24:46,800
get their information from that

1999
01:24:53,390 --> 01:24:50,360
ET is real right they're being told that

2000
01:24:55,070 --> 01:24:53,400
uh wormholes right that big announcement

2001
01:24:57,130 --> 01:24:55,080
that came out last week right from

2002
01:24:59,930 --> 01:24:57,140
Lawrence Livermore

2003
01:25:02,570 --> 01:24:59,940
they've created a wormhole and have

2004
01:25:06,290 --> 01:25:02,580
teleported stuff through it that's

2005
01:25:07,750 --> 01:25:06,300
that's a really big deal right Fusion is

2006
01:25:12,290 --> 01:25:07,760
is yeah

2007
01:25:16,070 --> 01:25:12,300
so all of these things that

2008
01:25:21,410 --> 01:25:16,080
um have been out there I'm truly science

2009
01:25:25,310 --> 01:25:21,420
fiction right real crazy stuff is now a

2010
01:25:28,010 --> 01:25:25,320
part of uh uh our world and and what

2011
01:25:29,689 --> 01:25:28,020
what what did they do with that now well

2012
01:25:32,750 --> 01:25:29,699
I think there's a certain well first of

2013
01:25:35,330 --> 01:25:32,760
all Fusion they literally

2014
01:25:37,310 --> 01:25:35,340
got more energy out of this small

2015
01:25:41,510 --> 01:25:37,320
experiment than they put in they they

2016
01:25:43,130 --> 01:25:41,520
put in 1.0 units and got 1.2 back I mean

2017
01:25:45,229 --> 01:25:43,140
that's crazy

2018
01:25:47,330 --> 01:25:45,239
and and if it's developed and so forth

2019
01:25:50,750 --> 01:25:47,340
they'll have you know great potential

2020
01:25:52,669 --> 01:25:50,760
but but I think you're always Jimmy I

2021
01:25:53,810 --> 01:25:52,679
think that it there's it's like a

2022
01:25:57,350 --> 01:25:53,820
continuum

2023
01:25:59,750 --> 01:25:57,360
now if you ask me about belief I am a

2024
01:26:01,070 --> 01:25:59,760
believer I believe in the strange and

2025
01:26:03,050 --> 01:26:01,080
the unusual I believe there's something

2026
01:26:05,390 --> 01:26:03,060
to it but I always say I'm like if I'm a

2027
01:26:06,830 --> 01:26:05,400
gas gauge I'm three quarters full I

2028
01:26:09,590 --> 01:26:06,840
still have a little bit of skepticism

2029
01:26:11,450 --> 01:26:09,600
about some things sometimes I don't

2030
01:26:14,689 --> 01:26:11,460
necessarily believe everything is a

2031
01:26:17,209 --> 01:26:14,699
ghost and everything's an alien uh but I

2032
01:26:18,590 --> 01:26:17,219
am strongly on this side of belief and I

2033
01:26:20,810 --> 01:26:18,600
think you've got some people who are

2034
01:26:23,689 --> 01:26:20,820
just on E and they're never going to

2035
01:26:27,290 --> 01:26:23,699
change example I interviewed uh Dr

2036
01:26:29,030 --> 01:26:27,300
Michael Shermer uh big time skeptic uh

2037
01:26:31,610 --> 01:26:29,040
probably the second best known skeptic

2038
01:26:35,209 --> 01:26:31,620
well maybe now Neil deGrasse Tyson James

2039
01:26:38,510 --> 01:26:35,219
Randy and then Shermer right great guy

2040
01:26:40,970 --> 01:26:38,520
and I really appreciate it nice guy and

2041
01:26:42,709 --> 01:26:40,980
I love the fact that he would even take

2042
01:26:44,750 --> 01:26:42,719
time to have a conversation with me

2043
01:26:47,270 --> 01:26:44,760
which makes him

2044
01:26:49,970 --> 01:26:47,280
somewhat unusual

2045
01:26:52,310 --> 01:26:49,980
um so a good guy and I think again we

2046
01:26:55,850 --> 01:26:52,320
can agree to disagree I love that idea

2047
01:26:57,709 --> 01:26:55,860
but I said something to him like well Dr

2048
01:26:59,810 --> 01:26:57,719
Sherman maybe we agree on many many

2049
01:27:01,490 --> 01:26:59,820
cases many many cases could be explained

2050
01:27:03,830 --> 01:27:01,500
I agree that what about the few percent

2051
01:27:05,570 --> 01:27:03,840
that do absolutely there is no

2052
01:27:07,729 --> 01:27:05,580
explanation everything has been ruled

2053
01:27:10,790 --> 01:27:07,739
out and he said oh yes we know they

2054
01:27:12,169 --> 01:27:10,800
exist but we put them on a Shelf

2055
01:27:14,149 --> 01:27:12,179
and it's

2056
01:27:17,810 --> 01:27:14,159
no Take that down then look at it

2057
01:27:20,090 --> 01:27:17,820
examine that investigate that research

2058
01:27:23,330 --> 01:27:20,100
that but the point is some people have

2059
01:27:25,729 --> 01:27:23,340
their minds made up and

2060
01:27:27,830 --> 01:27:25,739
to use the old cliche short of the

2061
01:27:29,270 --> 01:27:27,840
aliens landing on the White House lawn

2062
01:27:31,129 --> 01:27:29,280
and maybe not even then because they

2063
01:27:33,470 --> 01:27:31,139
just say it was deep faked

2064
01:27:35,209 --> 01:27:33,480
they're not going to believe anything

2065
01:27:38,510 --> 01:27:35,219
you've got true believers who believe

2066
01:27:40,669 --> 01:27:38,520
everything all the time you know I have

2067
01:27:42,290 --> 01:27:40,679
lunch with the aliens every third

2068
01:27:44,390 --> 01:27:42,300
Thursday of the month

2069
01:27:46,550 --> 01:27:44,400
and then you've got the people in the

2070
01:27:49,129 --> 01:27:46,560
middle that stray one way or the other

2071
01:27:50,930 --> 01:27:49,139
and I think that there's hope that

2072
01:27:53,330 --> 01:27:50,940
people who maybe are a little more

2073
01:27:55,970 --> 01:27:53,340
skeptical maybe they can move a little

2074
01:27:58,430 --> 01:27:55,980
bit closer to the middle or a little bit

2075
01:28:00,229 --> 01:27:58,440
closer to our side and then on the other

2076
01:28:03,590 --> 01:28:00,239
hand maybe some of the people who

2077
01:28:05,510 --> 01:28:03,600
believe all the things all the time

2078
01:28:07,490 --> 01:28:05,520
can maybe listen to a Shermer or

2079
01:28:08,810 --> 01:28:07,500
deGrasse Tyson once in a while and say

2080
01:28:10,850 --> 01:28:08,820
well maybe they've got a point about

2081
01:28:13,430 --> 01:28:10,860
that one thing

2082
01:28:16,490 --> 01:28:13,440
um I'm always one for trying to meet in

2083
01:28:18,470 --> 01:28:16,500
the middle and and and trying to come to

2084
01:28:20,209 --> 01:28:18,480
a meeting of the minds and say Here's

2085
01:28:22,550 --> 01:28:20,219
things we can agree about here's things

2086
01:28:25,490 --> 01:28:22,560
that we disagree about

2087
01:28:30,410 --> 01:28:25,500
um I hate to talk in absolutes

2088
01:28:32,270 --> 01:28:30,420
last night I had a dream uh and uh it's

2089
01:28:36,129 --> 01:28:32,280
very simple

2090
01:28:40,729 --> 01:28:36,139
um that there was a news story breaking

2091
01:28:44,169 --> 01:28:40,739
that a drone had filmed a family of

2092
01:28:46,870 --> 01:28:44,179
Bigfoot that was the dream right and

2093
01:28:48,590 --> 01:28:46,880
long and drawn out

2094
01:28:51,530 --> 01:28:48,600
but

2095
01:28:53,090 --> 01:28:51,540
um it was it wasn't the Bigfoot uh for

2096
01:28:56,750 --> 01:28:53,100
me

2097
01:28:59,209 --> 01:28:56,760
um that it was how the

2098
01:29:02,350 --> 01:28:59,219
broadcast and the host

2099
01:29:05,270 --> 01:29:02,360
was speaking about this

2100
01:29:07,070 --> 01:29:05,280
and and I woke up this morning and I

2101
01:29:09,290 --> 01:29:07,080
remember this is just last night and and

2102
01:29:10,669 --> 01:29:09,300
I remember the whole thing very Vivid

2103
01:29:13,070 --> 01:29:10,679
today

2104
01:29:17,330 --> 01:29:13,080
and I thought to myself

2105
01:29:18,430 --> 01:29:17,340
how would the media treat something like

2106
01:29:21,649 --> 01:29:18,440
that

2107
01:29:23,689 --> 01:29:21,659
and for you with with the letters and

2108
01:29:26,209 --> 01:29:23,699
your you know and your audience and and

2109
01:29:28,430 --> 01:29:26,219
one of those things that hangs out there

2110
01:29:30,229 --> 01:29:28,440
is Bigfoot the Bigfoot Community might

2111
01:29:32,270 --> 01:29:30,239
be bigger than the ghost Community it

2112
01:29:37,070 --> 01:29:32,280
might be bigger than the UFO Community

2113
01:29:38,390 --> 01:29:37,080
that's a big it's a big chunk right

2114
01:29:41,209 --> 01:29:38,400
um how do you think the media would

2115
01:29:43,010 --> 01:29:41,219
handle something like that and the

2116
01:29:46,010 --> 01:29:43,020
second part of the question is where do

2117
01:29:47,870 --> 01:29:46,020
you stand on Bigfoot well first of all I

2118
01:29:49,970 --> 01:29:47,880
would think that the media would tend to

2119
01:29:52,070 --> 01:29:49,980
poo poo anything that doesn't fall into

2120
01:29:55,070 --> 01:29:52,080
their narrative so they would try to

2121
01:29:57,169 --> 01:29:55,080
find some way to discredit it or try to

2122
01:29:58,370 --> 01:29:57,179
laugh at it

2123
01:30:00,649 --> 01:29:58,380
um you know

2124
01:30:03,050 --> 01:30:00,659
um where does first they ignore you then

2125
01:30:04,970 --> 01:30:03,060
they do this then they do that then you

2126
01:30:07,310 --> 01:30:04,980
win or somebody forget the the Litany of

2127
01:30:08,990 --> 01:30:07,320
whatever that is but the point is is I

2128
01:30:11,810 --> 01:30:09,000
think that the mainstream media would

2129
01:30:12,830 --> 01:30:11,820
make light of it into the last possible

2130
01:30:15,470 --> 01:30:12,840
second

2131
01:30:18,890 --> 01:30:15,480
now on me with Bigfoot I gotta admit

2132
01:30:22,370 --> 01:30:18,900
that's probably one that I have the most

2133
01:30:24,649 --> 01:30:22,380
skepticism about but I also you know for

2134
01:30:27,649 --> 01:30:24,659
example I look at that Patterson gimlin

2135
01:30:30,470 --> 01:30:27,659
film after it was uh from 1967 after it

2136
01:30:32,450 --> 01:30:30,480
was stabilized and you look at that and

2137
01:30:34,729 --> 01:30:32,460
it looks like muscle tone it does not

2138
01:30:36,830 --> 01:30:34,739
look like a suit it looks like actual

2139
01:30:38,689 --> 01:30:36,840
muscle tone you see

2140
01:30:40,370 --> 01:30:38,699
on the other hand then I go well why

2141
01:30:43,129 --> 01:30:40,380
haven't they found a body

2142
01:30:45,050 --> 01:30:43,139
and then I hear from you know well

2143
01:30:47,570 --> 01:30:45,060
nature takes care of its own and you

2144
01:30:51,110 --> 01:30:47,580
don't usually walk through the woods and

2145
01:30:54,110 --> 01:30:51,120
find a deer carcass or a bear carcass

2146
01:30:55,970 --> 01:30:54,120
so it's really one that Jimmy you know

2147
01:30:57,709 --> 01:30:55,980
it depends on what day of the week you

2148
01:31:00,830 --> 01:30:57,719
ask me

2149
01:31:03,709 --> 01:31:00,840
um I'm not convinced it is but I'm not

2150
01:31:05,750 --> 01:31:03,719
convinced it isn't and I'm open because

2151
01:31:07,370 --> 01:31:05,760
I do believe there are people of very

2152
01:31:10,310 --> 01:31:07,380
good will

2153
01:31:12,709 --> 01:31:10,320
who have given testimony of their

2154
01:31:15,830 --> 01:31:12,719
experiences and I very much hate to

2155
01:31:17,110 --> 01:31:15,840
discredit those or kind of poo poo with

2156
01:31:19,790 --> 01:31:17,120
those

2157
01:31:21,470 --> 01:31:19,800
so you know I'm kind of on the fence

2158
01:31:23,149 --> 01:31:21,480
about it I know that's a cop-out but

2159
01:31:28,310 --> 01:31:23,159
it's truth

2160
01:31:31,990 --> 01:31:28,320
it's also safe keeps you keeps you sane

2161
01:31:35,510 --> 01:31:32,000
um I I think that a lot of us uh uh

2162
01:31:37,310 --> 01:31:35,520
you have to protect yourself yeah but I

2163
01:31:39,410 --> 01:31:37,320
mean there's other topics somebody had

2164
01:31:41,450 --> 01:31:39,420
me on a podcast and they ask me my range

2165
01:31:43,669 --> 01:31:41,460
of belief on different topics

2166
01:31:47,870 --> 01:31:43,679
ghosts nine out of ten

2167
01:31:51,410 --> 01:31:47,880
uh and because I said I don't do 10.

2168
01:31:53,590 --> 01:31:51,420
um life after death 9.5 out of 10. you

2169
01:31:56,990 --> 01:31:53,600
know uh

2170
01:32:00,590 --> 01:31:57,000
UFOs being something more than just

2171
01:32:02,570 --> 01:32:00,600
man-made nine you know uh it just

2172
01:32:05,770 --> 01:32:02,580
depends on the subject but it's very

2173
01:32:08,570 --> 01:32:05,780
hard to get me to a 10.

2174
01:32:09,830 --> 01:32:08,580
okay okay

2175
01:32:12,110 --> 01:32:09,840
um

2176
01:32:14,090 --> 01:32:12,120
yeah okay

2177
01:32:17,629 --> 01:32:14,100
I don't want to go down it's not about

2178
01:32:22,910 --> 01:32:17,639
me right about you but there are certain

2179
01:32:26,149 --> 01:32:22,920
things that are being portrayed now as a

2180
01:32:27,950 --> 01:32:26,159
10 from those that never did that before

2181
01:32:31,550 --> 01:32:27,960
and I'm talking about the media or the

2182
01:32:35,149 --> 01:32:31,560
Pentagon or the military or Avi lowbed

2183
01:32:38,570 --> 01:32:35,159
at Harvard University I had uh I Had

2184
01:32:39,790 --> 01:32:38,580
Gary Nolan uh from Stanford on on the

2185
01:32:44,629 --> 01:32:39,800
show this week

2186
01:32:47,570 --> 01:32:44,639
and uh he is you know he's about uh as

2187
01:32:50,450 --> 01:32:47,580
as gifted and as intelligent of any

2188
01:32:53,689 --> 01:32:50,460
researcher that I know and he deals with

2189
01:32:56,270 --> 01:32:53,699
Cancers and and DNA that's what you know

2190
01:32:59,270 --> 01:32:56,280
that's what he that's his that's his

2191
01:33:03,530 --> 01:32:59,280
thing that's what he teaches but he also

2192
01:33:04,910 --> 01:33:03,540
is interested in in UFOs in in ET and I

2193
01:33:06,050 --> 01:33:04,920
love that by the way not to interrupt

2194
01:33:10,070 --> 01:33:06,060
but I love

2195
01:33:12,590 --> 01:33:10,080
men and women of science who can say I'm

2196
01:33:15,110 --> 01:33:12,600
I'm about the scientific method but I

2197
01:33:17,450 --> 01:33:15,120
also have an open mind to these subjects

2198
01:33:19,430 --> 01:33:17,460
and I'm interested in I love that well

2199
01:33:22,610 --> 01:33:19,440
and what do you think about uh you know

2200
01:33:24,290 --> 01:33:22,620
somebody you know like that that is now

2201
01:33:26,810 --> 01:33:24,300
pushing

2202
01:33:28,669 --> 01:33:26,820
um and I'm with them I agree but I'm

2203
01:33:32,270 --> 01:33:28,679
worried about the public where you are

2204
01:33:34,970 --> 01:33:32,280
going all in that you're at the 10 scale

2205
01:33:37,090 --> 01:33:34,980
right and you know you know the old

2206
01:33:41,990 --> 01:33:37,100
quote scientists never like to go 100

2207
01:33:44,090 --> 01:33:42,000
right yeah yeah well I I mean he's being

2208
01:33:45,530 --> 01:33:44,100
very courageous that's for sure in

2209
01:33:48,129 --> 01:33:45,540
particular anybody who's involved with

2210
01:33:51,050 --> 01:33:48,139
Academia you know

2211
01:33:53,629 --> 01:33:51,060
uh that's like the third rail right they

2212
01:33:55,430 --> 01:33:53,639
talk in politics uh Social Security is

2213
01:33:58,189 --> 01:33:55,440
the third rail you touch that you die

2214
01:34:00,709 --> 01:33:58,199
and I think in Academia when you talk

2215
01:34:03,169 --> 01:34:00,719
about these 40 in topics UFOs ghosts

2216
01:34:05,209 --> 01:34:03,179
those kind of things that it can be

2217
01:34:07,129 --> 01:34:05,219
death to a career it can be like

2218
01:34:11,149 --> 01:34:07,139
touching the third rail so good for him

2219
01:34:12,110 --> 01:34:11,159
that he has that courage and uh you know

2220
01:34:14,510 --> 01:34:12,120
there's

2221
01:34:16,910 --> 01:34:14,520
but the thing is Jimmy I have a I have a

2222
01:34:19,189 --> 01:34:16,920
theory about the whole UFO thing do you

2223
01:34:21,110 --> 01:34:19,199
remember when that report came out uh

2224
01:34:25,129 --> 01:34:21,120
wasn't this June but it was the year but

2225
01:34:27,470 --> 01:34:25,139
2021 right August yeah okay yeah August

2226
01:34:30,709 --> 01:34:27,480
about 2021 we came out at about four

2227
01:34:33,410 --> 01:34:30,719
o'clock on a Friday it did

2228
01:34:34,930 --> 01:34:33,420
coincidentally today the JFK files came

2229
01:34:38,149 --> 01:34:34,940
out around four o'clock on a Friday

2230
01:34:44,470 --> 01:34:38,159
where do you put news that you want to

2231
01:34:49,129 --> 01:34:47,330
yes I took journalism class I know how

2232
01:34:53,990 --> 01:34:49,139
to bury Australian school that's right

2233
01:34:55,550 --> 01:34:54,000
yeah so my point is is that as much as

2234
01:34:57,590 --> 01:34:55,560
we want to think that there's going to

2235
01:34:59,750 --> 01:34:57,600
be disclosure as much as we see the

2236
01:35:02,570 --> 01:34:59,760
government maybe opening up I still

2237
01:35:05,390 --> 01:35:02,580
believe they're very powerful people who

2238
01:35:06,470 --> 01:35:05,400
don't want the truth out about UFOs so I

2239
01:35:08,930 --> 01:35:06,480
think a lot of people are very

2240
01:35:10,430 --> 01:35:08,940
optimistic that okay it's going to come

2241
01:35:11,870 --> 01:35:10,440
out now it's coming out now they're

2242
01:35:13,430 --> 01:35:11,880
getting ready to tell us they're going

2243
01:35:16,490 --> 01:35:13,440
to tell us they're drip drip driven

2244
01:35:17,930 --> 01:35:16,500
disclosure and I'm like yeah are you

2245
01:35:19,729 --> 01:35:17,940
sure they're going to tell us are you

2246
01:35:21,709 --> 01:35:19,739
sure that this just is because their

2247
01:35:22,870 --> 01:35:21,719
hand was forced because the New York

2248
01:35:24,709 --> 01:35:22,880
Times

2249
01:35:27,709 --> 01:35:24,719
released it

2250
01:35:31,070 --> 01:35:27,719
and they had to say something so I'm not

2251
01:35:33,350 --> 01:35:31,080
convinced that the government will there

2252
01:35:35,030 --> 01:35:33,360
are people like um Rubio's one for

2253
01:35:36,590 --> 01:35:35,040
example I think very much wants to get

2254
01:35:38,390 --> 01:35:36,600
the truth out there that's on the

2255
01:35:41,030 --> 01:35:38,400
Republican side on the Democratic side

2256
01:35:44,030 --> 01:35:41,040
Harry Reid was someone who wanted to get

2257
01:35:45,290 --> 01:35:44,040
the truth out there Senator brand yeah

2258
01:35:47,570 --> 01:35:45,300
that's what I'm saying it's not a

2259
01:35:50,050 --> 01:35:47,580
partisan thing right right but I think

2260
01:35:53,090 --> 01:35:50,060
those people are in the minority

2261
01:35:55,490 --> 01:35:53,100
and I really worry

2262
01:35:57,770 --> 01:35:55,500
it's kind of like um and it's happened

2263
01:35:59,510 --> 01:35:57,780
before like the cat started to come out

2264
01:36:01,310 --> 01:35:59,520
of the bag and then they have the condom

2265
01:36:03,050 --> 01:36:01,320
commission or they have Project Blue

2266
01:36:05,689 --> 01:36:03,060
Book let's tighten this thing back down

2267
01:36:08,030 --> 01:36:05,699
I could see that happening again

2268
01:36:09,770 --> 01:36:08,040
I mean I hope that it can't because now

2269
01:36:12,110 --> 01:36:09,780
we have the internet and there's a lot

2270
01:36:14,930 --> 01:36:12,120
more outlets and blah blah blah I hope

2271
01:36:17,930 --> 01:36:14,940
I'm wrong but I worry about that is it

2272
01:36:19,729 --> 01:36:17,940
is it that easy uh to to bury something

2273
01:36:22,790 --> 01:36:19,739
these days you've been in media for a

2274
01:36:24,770 --> 01:36:22,800
long time and well I don't think it's as

2275
01:36:27,110 --> 01:36:24,780
easy but I think they could still do it

2276
01:36:27,910 --> 01:36:27,120
I I think it's easier

2277
01:36:30,350 --> 01:36:27,920
um

2278
01:36:32,450 --> 01:36:30,360
well that's true because it just you

2279
01:36:34,189 --> 01:36:32,460
release it and it gets lost in the tidal

2280
01:36:37,250 --> 01:36:34,199
wave of everything else it's like hiding

2281
01:36:40,129 --> 01:36:37,260
in plain sight well you you know I don't

2282
01:36:42,169 --> 01:36:40,139
want to sound old uh but you're gonna

2283
01:36:45,590 --> 01:36:42,179
agree with me on this there was a day

2284
01:36:47,450 --> 01:36:45,600
when we had three TV channels four if

2285
01:36:52,250 --> 01:36:47,460
you had a really good antenna right yeah

2286
01:36:55,430 --> 01:36:52,260
okay yep that was it and your newspaper

2287
01:36:56,990 --> 01:36:55,440
came in the morning Time Magazine came

2288
01:37:01,490 --> 01:36:57,000
once a week

2289
01:37:05,590 --> 01:37:01,500
right that was it yep today literally

2290
01:37:09,350 --> 01:37:05,600
without exaggeration uh you have got

2291
01:37:10,790 --> 01:37:09,360
one million streaming

2292
01:37:14,169 --> 01:37:10,800
ideas

2293
01:37:17,209 --> 01:37:14,179
yeah news outlets podcasts streaming

2294
01:37:20,030 --> 01:37:17,219
it's not just one thing and you have

2295
01:37:22,010 --> 01:37:20,040
access to every single radio and

2296
01:37:24,110 --> 01:37:22,020
television station around the world

2297
01:37:26,950 --> 01:37:24,120
instantly

2298
01:37:28,970 --> 01:37:26,960
so is it easier to bury something today

2299
01:37:30,649 --> 01:37:28,980
absolutely no that's a great Point

2300
01:37:32,450 --> 01:37:30,659
that's a great point I wasn't thinking

2301
01:37:34,310 --> 01:37:32,460
of it that way but that's absolutely

2302
01:37:37,070 --> 01:37:34,320
valid point because

2303
01:37:39,649 --> 01:37:37,080
you could just say oh that's just uh so

2304
01:37:41,270 --> 01:37:39,659
much noise and and you're trying to get

2305
01:37:45,649 --> 01:37:41,280
somebody's attention

2306
01:37:48,290 --> 01:37:45,659
where they in a day how many times can

2307
01:37:51,350 --> 01:37:48,300
you divide up your brain into different

2308
01:37:54,410 --> 01:37:51,360
news stories so you remember right the

2309
01:37:57,110 --> 01:37:54,420
24-hour news cycle

2310
01:37:59,870 --> 01:37:57,120
like that's it well it's now it's 24

2311
01:38:03,669 --> 01:37:59,880
minutes ago yeah uh well I'd say 24

2312
01:38:06,530 --> 01:38:03,679
seconds right where you have the power

2313
01:38:08,510 --> 01:38:06,540
right you've got that's a really good

2314
01:38:12,110 --> 01:38:08,520
example actually

2315
01:38:15,950 --> 01:38:12,120
um but it's it it is uh Twitter and

2316
01:38:18,590 --> 01:38:15,960
influencers and and the ability to to

2317
01:38:20,990 --> 01:38:18,600
change Minds in in nanoseconds so trying

2318
01:38:25,070 --> 01:38:21,000
to get somebody's attention on a

2319
01:38:26,510 --> 01:38:25,080
specific uh Target uh and and subject it

2320
01:38:28,250 --> 01:38:26,520
takes a lot of work today so if you want

2321
01:38:29,090 --> 01:38:28,260
something buried I think it's pretty

2322
01:38:32,270 --> 01:38:29,100
easy

2323
01:38:33,830 --> 01:38:32,280
yeah it's a great point I I you know now

2324
01:38:35,390 --> 01:38:33,840
that I think about it you're absolutely

2325
01:38:38,270 --> 01:38:35,400
right now that makes all the sense in

2326
01:38:41,030 --> 01:38:38,280
the world and and

2327
01:38:43,310 --> 01:38:41,040
to that end I just have to ask you have

2328
01:38:44,930 --> 01:38:43,320
you have you seen a UFO

2329
01:38:47,090 --> 01:38:44,940
you know not

2330
01:38:49,729 --> 01:38:47,100
um what we would traditionally think of

2331
01:38:53,209 --> 01:38:49,739
as a UFO in the sense of something that

2332
01:38:57,350 --> 01:38:53,219
could be a craft now in the must have

2333
01:38:58,850 --> 01:38:57,360
been the late 90s my wife and I we were

2334
01:39:01,370 --> 01:38:58,860
just they've been married we were

2335
01:39:03,470 --> 01:39:01,380
driving down a main road in the

2336
01:39:04,970 --> 01:39:03,480
Cleveland area suburb of Cleveland and

2337
01:39:06,290 --> 01:39:04,980
we looked up and there was a green

2338
01:39:09,530 --> 01:39:06,300
Fireball

2339
01:39:11,570 --> 01:39:09,540
in the sky and we were listening to am

2340
01:39:13,850 --> 01:39:11,580
talk radio you'd be very proud of us

2341
01:39:16,729 --> 01:39:13,860
we're on the same talk radio and the the

2342
01:39:19,610 --> 01:39:16,739
top guy in in Cleveland was on the the

2343
01:39:21,950 --> 01:39:19,620
the the the the station his name's Mike

2344
01:39:23,810 --> 01:39:21,960
he was Mike trivisano he's passed since

2345
01:39:26,330 --> 01:39:23,820
a year or so ago

2346
01:39:29,030 --> 01:39:26,340
and somebody called in and said I'm on

2347
01:39:30,830 --> 01:39:29,040
so and so Road and I just saw a huge

2348
01:39:32,810 --> 01:39:30,840
green Fireball in the sky and he's like

2349
01:39:34,430 --> 01:39:32,820
ah you're drunk

2350
01:39:35,689 --> 01:39:34,440
and then he was about ready to hit the

2351
01:39:37,729 --> 01:39:35,699
top of the hour and that was it never

2352
01:39:40,070 --> 01:39:37,739
heard about it again I fully believe

2353
01:39:43,550 --> 01:39:40,080
that was some kind of meteorite or space

2354
01:39:46,070 --> 01:39:43,560
junk or something but but if we've got

2355
01:39:47,629 --> 01:39:46,080
time I gotta get in my parents UFO story

2356
01:39:50,390 --> 01:39:47,639
that was the other story I told you

2357
01:39:52,070 --> 01:39:50,400
about okay because this is a UFO story

2358
01:39:54,890 --> 01:39:52,080
and again

2359
01:39:57,110 --> 01:39:54,900
you had to know my mom she was from West

2360
01:39:59,689 --> 01:39:57,120
Virginia and she told it how it was so

2361
01:40:03,890 --> 01:39:59,699
anyway night probably 19 I was born in

2362
01:40:07,729 --> 01:40:03,900
69 so this was probably about 1970. uh

2363
01:40:10,010 --> 01:40:07,739
we were visiting my grandparents

2364
01:40:12,169 --> 01:40:10,020
in West Virginia

2365
01:40:14,450 --> 01:40:12,179
um it was a coal mining town so anyway

2366
01:40:16,430 --> 01:40:14,460
my Mom and Dad decided they were going

2367
01:40:17,930 --> 01:40:16,440
to this was in the evening it was dark

2368
01:40:19,970 --> 01:40:17,940
they were going to drive out to a

2369
01:40:22,490 --> 01:40:19,980
secluded spot now Jimmy I don't want to

2370
01:40:24,830 --> 01:40:22,500
know why but they were driving off the

2371
01:40:26,689 --> 01:40:24,840
circles and they left they left little

2372
01:40:28,790 --> 01:40:26,699
Jimmy Little Jimmy's what they used to

2373
01:40:30,169 --> 01:40:28,800
call me little Jimmy they used to they

2374
01:40:32,209 --> 01:40:30,179
left me with Grandma

2375
01:40:34,010 --> 01:40:32,219
so anyway they went out to this secluded

2376
01:40:37,550 --> 01:40:34,020
spot don't want to know why

2377
01:40:40,310 --> 01:40:37,560
uh and you know rural areas no street

2378
01:40:43,250 --> 01:40:40,320
lights no lights whatsoever pitch black

2379
01:40:48,350 --> 01:40:46,430
my dad said my mom said it too

2380
01:40:50,930 --> 01:40:48,360
light in the sky

2381
01:40:53,990 --> 01:40:50,940
for about 30 to 60 Seconds

2382
01:40:57,770 --> 01:40:54,000
so bright you could read

2383
01:41:01,790 --> 01:40:57,780
the numbers on the speedometer in a 68

2384
01:41:03,229 --> 01:41:01,800
Buick LeSabre you remember the old the

2385
01:41:05,930 --> 01:41:03,239
old cars that used to actually have

2386
01:41:07,910 --> 01:41:05,940
clocks with hands on them

2387
01:41:09,770 --> 01:41:07,920
they have one of those

2388
01:41:11,570 --> 01:41:09,780
they could read that

2389
01:41:13,729 --> 01:41:11,580
then my dad said he looked to his left

2390
01:41:16,850 --> 01:41:13,739
out the driver's side window and the way

2391
01:41:20,930 --> 01:41:16,860
he described it was there was a man with

2392
01:41:24,050 --> 01:41:20,940
a welding mask with his hand held out

2393
01:41:25,610 --> 01:41:24,060
at that point my mom never saw the guy

2394
01:41:29,689 --> 01:41:25,620
with a welding mask

2395
01:41:31,970 --> 01:41:29,699
only your dad yeah quote welding mask

2396
01:41:33,950 --> 01:41:31,980
so then they said let's get out here my

2397
01:41:35,510 --> 01:41:33,960
so my dad like gets out of there and

2398
01:41:37,550 --> 01:41:35,520
he's going down this country road I

2399
01:41:40,790 --> 01:41:37,560
don't even know if it was paved and then

2400
01:41:43,910 --> 01:41:40,800
my mom said I saw the biggest birds I

2401
01:41:47,990 --> 01:41:43,920
ever seen in my life up on the bank

2402
01:41:51,590 --> 01:41:49,910
and then they came home and they fully

2403
01:41:53,390 --> 01:41:51,600
expected the next day it would be

2404
01:41:54,830 --> 01:41:53,400
reported on the news or something and

2405
01:41:57,770 --> 01:41:54,840
they never heard another thing about it

2406
01:42:00,709 --> 01:41:57,780
again now I wondered I had kind of an

2407
01:42:03,590 --> 01:42:00,719
aha moment when I was interviewing Mike

2408
01:42:06,290 --> 01:42:03,600
clelland he does the book The Messengers

2409
01:42:09,950 --> 01:42:06,300
and there was a sequel to it I guess all

2410
01:42:12,050 --> 01:42:09,960
about the screen memories and owls and I

2411
01:42:13,910 --> 01:42:12,060
told him the story and about the

2412
01:42:16,910 --> 01:42:13,920
parallel with the owls and the large

2413
01:42:19,129 --> 01:42:16,920
birds and who knows maybe the the man in

2414
01:42:22,010 --> 01:42:19,139
a welding mask was either an

2415
01:42:24,530 --> 01:42:22,020
interpretation by my dad or the birds

2416
01:42:28,370 --> 01:42:24,540
were some kind of screen memory and this

2417
01:42:31,850 --> 01:42:28,380
was not too far removed I think Silver

2418
01:42:34,370 --> 01:42:31,860
Bridge was 67 Mothman 67. this would

2419
01:42:36,370 --> 01:42:34,380
have been in 70. so it in generally the

2420
01:42:38,750 --> 01:42:36,380
same time a different part of the state

2421
01:42:41,689 --> 01:42:38,760
West Virginia it was Southern West

2422
01:42:43,189 --> 01:42:41,699
Virginia where the the bridge collapsed

2423
01:42:45,770 --> 01:42:43,199
the Silver Bridge collapsed the Mothman

2424
01:42:47,930 --> 01:42:45,780
that whole thing happened where my dad

2425
01:42:49,609 --> 01:42:47,940
and mom were it was near the mayor

2426
01:42:51,709 --> 01:42:49,619
Ireland border

2427
01:42:53,990 --> 01:42:51,719
different part of the state but I

2428
01:42:56,149 --> 01:42:54,000
thought that was interesting so this

2429
01:42:57,770 --> 01:42:56,159
again Jimmy just like the story with the

2430
01:42:59,510 --> 01:42:57,780
ghost with my dad and my uncle was

2431
01:43:02,810 --> 01:42:59,520
something I heard as long as I could

2432
01:43:06,290 --> 01:43:02,820
remember never changed too very salt of

2433
01:43:08,390 --> 01:43:06,300
the earth people my mom was the most not

2434
01:43:10,669 --> 01:43:08,400
metaphysical person you'd ever want to

2435
01:43:12,950 --> 01:43:10,679
meet she was what we used to call back

2436
01:43:15,109 --> 01:43:12,960
in the day and I know it's not PC these

2437
01:43:17,870 --> 01:43:15,119
days but she was known as a homemaker a

2438
01:43:19,669 --> 01:43:17,880
stay-at-home mom and she was you know

2439
01:43:21,890 --> 01:43:19,679
she was from West Virginia and she never

2440
01:43:25,910 --> 01:43:21,900
lost her accent and she told her how it

2441
01:43:28,010 --> 01:43:25,920
was by God and I know what I saw and I

2442
01:43:29,450 --> 01:43:28,020
believe every word they said I don't

2443
01:43:32,390 --> 01:43:29,460
know what they saw but they saw

2444
01:43:34,010 --> 01:43:32,400
something a welding mask in the middle

2445
01:43:37,310 --> 01:43:34,020
of nowhere

2446
01:43:40,790 --> 01:43:37,320
but maybe it was more like some kind of

2447
01:43:44,570 --> 01:43:40,800
Shield maybe yeah it's the way he he

2448
01:43:47,330 --> 01:43:44,580
says he says welding mask I I hear

2449
01:43:49,669 --> 01:43:47,340
spacesuit yeah

2450
01:43:52,570 --> 01:43:49,679
in the middle of nowhere yeah

2451
01:43:56,149 --> 01:43:52,580
um and and I am sure

2452
01:43:58,550 --> 01:43:56,159
uh your father had to think about who is

2453
01:43:59,450 --> 01:43:58,560
this guy how did he get here where's his

2454
01:44:01,850 --> 01:43:59,460
car

2455
01:44:04,189 --> 01:44:01,860
right I mean yeah that's what men do

2456
01:44:06,350 --> 01:44:04,199
right and you just you would have to

2457
01:44:10,729 --> 01:44:06,360
think about all of those things that

2458
01:44:13,310 --> 01:44:10,739
adds to the strangeness right and 1970

2459
01:44:14,810 --> 01:44:13,320
before Close Encounters before Star Wars

2460
01:44:16,310 --> 01:44:14,820
there was Star Trek I mean there was

2461
01:44:18,410 --> 01:44:16,320
some stuff in the pop culture but

2462
01:44:21,470 --> 01:44:18,420
nothing like we've had in the last 50

2463
01:44:23,750 --> 01:44:21,480
years and my mom my dad always kind of

2464
01:44:25,850 --> 01:44:23,760
he would watch in search of with me he

2465
01:44:29,209 --> 01:44:25,860
was always fascinating this stuff my

2466
01:44:29,990 --> 01:44:29,219
mom's like Oh that's a bunch of bold you

2467
01:44:31,790 --> 01:44:30,000
know

2468
01:44:35,930 --> 01:44:31,800
she'd be like the only one I believe in

2469
01:44:40,729 --> 01:44:37,550
so uh

2470
01:44:44,030 --> 01:44:40,739
last night after uh the show you know I

2471
01:44:47,510 --> 01:44:44,040
wrapped and uh I decided uh to go to my

2472
01:44:49,189 --> 01:44:47,520
favorite uh uh Mexican food uh

2473
01:44:52,310 --> 01:44:49,199
drive-through restaurant oh that sounds

2474
01:44:55,129 --> 01:44:52,320
good family place and you get steak

2475
01:44:56,930 --> 01:44:55,139
burrito on your mind and oh man now

2476
01:44:59,090 --> 01:44:56,940
you're making me hungry Jimmy this is a

2477
01:45:01,430 --> 01:44:59,100
problem you need to teleport me one of

2478
01:45:05,810 --> 01:45:01,440
those burritos after the show so I jump

2479
01:45:08,629 --> 01:45:05,820
in the car and uh and uh I make the

2480
01:45:11,750 --> 01:45:08,639
left-hand turn at the the joint is on

2481
01:45:13,550 --> 01:45:11,760
the corner right turn and as I make the

2482
01:45:15,590 --> 01:45:13,560
left-hand turn where I have to make a

2483
01:45:18,649 --> 01:45:15,600
U-turn and then pull into this place as

2484
01:45:20,330 --> 01:45:18,659
I make that turn Jim as I live and

2485
01:45:24,050 --> 01:45:20,340
breathe I'm sitting here I don't know

2486
01:45:25,910 --> 01:45:24,060
what it was but it was cool this uh

2487
01:45:28,970 --> 01:45:25,920
White Light might have been like you

2488
01:45:30,890 --> 01:45:28,980
know meteor right or or something else

2489
01:45:33,470 --> 01:45:30,900
but it just came straight down in the

2490
01:45:35,810 --> 01:45:33,480
middle of my windshield lasted for quite

2491
01:45:40,250 --> 01:45:35,820
a while maybe about a second

2492
01:45:42,410 --> 01:45:40,260
and then was gone and now

2493
01:45:45,770 --> 01:45:42,420
um that part of it doesn't matter

2494
01:45:47,390 --> 01:45:45,780
What mattered to me was the smile that I

2495
01:45:51,830 --> 01:45:47,400
had on my face you know and I just went

2496
01:45:54,530 --> 01:45:51,840
that was cool and it's gone right it's

2497
01:45:55,910 --> 01:45:54,540
that's it it's over nothing exploded I

2498
01:45:59,209 --> 01:45:55,920
didn't see anything but that wasn't the

2499
01:46:01,609 --> 01:45:59,219
point it was what are the odds right

2500
01:46:04,129 --> 01:46:01,619
that I turned my kids that's just there

2501
01:46:08,330 --> 01:46:04,139
for a second right and that I was able

2502
01:46:10,070 --> 01:46:08,340
to point my car and enjoy that and it

2503
01:46:12,649 --> 01:46:10,080
was it was incredible it was incredible

2504
01:46:15,410 --> 01:46:12,659
I sat there turned signals on I need to

2505
01:46:17,090 --> 01:46:15,420
take this U-turn I sat there went man

2506
01:46:19,129 --> 01:46:17,100
that was that was all right that's

2507
01:46:21,050 --> 01:46:19,139
pretty cool sometimes I wish I'd see

2508
01:46:22,370 --> 01:46:21,060
more stuff although there's some stuff

2509
01:46:24,229 --> 01:46:22,380
that you could see that I wouldn't want

2510
01:46:26,330 --> 01:46:24,239
to some of the you know our Sinister

2511
01:46:28,310 --> 01:46:26,340
entities and those kind of things but

2512
01:46:30,050 --> 01:46:28,320
sometimes I wish I would see more now I

2513
01:46:31,669 --> 01:46:30,060
I did say to someone well I've never

2514
01:46:33,890 --> 01:46:31,679
seen a ghost and they said well how do

2515
01:46:35,689 --> 01:46:33,900
you know you know a ghost doesn't

2516
01:46:37,430 --> 01:46:35,699
necessarily have to be transparent or

2517
01:46:40,250 --> 01:46:37,440
translucent they could walk around and

2518
01:46:42,530 --> 01:46:40,260
be just like you or me but at least that

2519
01:46:44,390 --> 01:46:42,540
I know of and I kind of wish because I

2520
01:46:46,070 --> 01:46:44,400
was a joke I'm because I do believe some

2521
01:46:48,290 --> 01:46:46,080
people legitimately have psychic powers

2522
01:46:49,330 --> 01:46:48,300
and I always joke I'm about as psychic

2523
01:46:53,270 --> 01:46:49,340
as a board

2524
01:46:55,430 --> 01:46:53,280
uh but I do wish you know I was one of

2525
01:46:56,870 --> 01:46:55,440
those people who experienced or saw more

2526
01:46:59,209 --> 01:46:56,880
things but I guess I have to live

2527
01:47:00,530 --> 01:46:59,219
vicariously by talking to people who

2528
01:47:02,810 --> 01:47:00,540
experience these things all the time

2529
01:47:06,050 --> 01:47:02,820
okay well you just said you're nine and

2530
01:47:08,090 --> 01:47:06,060
a half right on I think it was E.T you

2531
01:47:10,250 --> 01:47:08,100
gave yeah I think nine nine and a half I

2532
01:47:12,709 --> 01:47:10,260
mean I'm I'm pretty convinced that it

2533
01:47:15,530 --> 01:47:12,719
makes it just to me it's like the same

2534
01:47:18,169 --> 01:47:15,540
reason that I believe in God you know

2535
01:47:20,510 --> 01:47:18,179
and God for me is pretty much like a 9.9

2536
01:47:22,669 --> 01:47:20,520
out of 10. because I don't believe all

2537
01:47:25,189 --> 01:47:22,679
this just happened by accident I think

2538
01:47:27,649 --> 01:47:25,199
there's too many tolerances that have to

2539
01:47:29,810 --> 01:47:27,659
happen for human life to exist well what

2540
01:47:31,790 --> 01:47:29,820
I believe in a Creator what takes you to

2541
01:47:34,010 --> 01:47:31,800
attend what would take you we'll talk

2542
01:47:38,090 --> 01:47:34,020
about God in a second second but with ET

2543
01:47:43,550 --> 01:47:41,990
I'm at 10 by the way I'm very close I'm

2544
01:47:45,830 --> 01:47:43,560
very close

2545
01:47:49,189 --> 01:47:45,840
but some um thank you there what pushes

2546
01:47:53,810 --> 01:47:52,129
maybe a sighting

2547
01:47:55,370 --> 01:47:53,820
maybe exciting myself maybe an

2548
01:47:57,830 --> 01:47:55,380
experience myself but I mean it's very

2549
01:48:01,250 --> 01:47:57,840
close I mean I'm pretty much convinced I

2550
01:48:06,290 --> 01:48:01,260
mean I mean it just to me to me makes

2551
01:48:08,990 --> 01:48:06,300
sense you've got this huge Cosmos uh and

2552
01:48:11,629 --> 01:48:09,000
now you even I remember even when we

2553
01:48:12,890 --> 01:48:11,639
started Jimmy 17 years ago scientists

2554
01:48:14,990 --> 01:48:12,900
weren't saying this but now they're

2555
01:48:16,669 --> 01:48:15,000
they've they come out and say well yeah

2556
01:48:18,590 --> 01:48:16,679
there probably is life somewhere because

2557
01:48:21,109 --> 01:48:18,600
there's just too many Earth-like planets

2558
01:48:22,729 --> 01:48:21,119
duh you know and the whole thing about

2559
01:48:25,070 --> 01:48:22,739
well they can't get here because the

2560
01:48:28,729 --> 01:48:25,080
distances are too great yeah with our

2561
01:48:30,590 --> 01:48:28,739
technology no but it

2562
01:48:33,350 --> 01:48:30,600
chances are that they've got our

2563
01:48:35,030 --> 01:48:33,360
technology beat you know be like a

2564
01:48:38,470 --> 01:48:35,040
caveman thing and the iPhone is

2565
01:48:42,109 --> 01:48:38,480
impossible right well yeah for you right

2566
01:48:44,090 --> 01:48:42,119
you know so so no I'm I'm pretty

2567
01:48:47,689 --> 01:48:44,100
convinced of the

2568
01:48:50,689 --> 01:48:47,699
I I mean pretty convinced well when we

2569
01:48:53,930 --> 01:48:50,699
have uh this is what I find so

2570
01:48:57,649 --> 01:48:53,940
interesting I don't know

2571
01:49:00,530 --> 01:48:57,659
if I have seen a ghost I think my house

2572
01:49:02,629 --> 01:49:00,540
is completely haunted I'm I'm a full 10

2573
01:49:04,729 --> 01:49:02,639
on that by the way

2574
01:49:07,010 --> 01:49:04,739
um haven't seen anything hear a lot of

2575
01:49:08,390 --> 01:49:07,020
things but there's too much going on

2576
01:49:14,450 --> 01:49:08,400
here

2577
01:49:17,930 --> 01:49:14,460
you know when we have this black hole uh

2578
01:49:21,109 --> 01:49:17,940
the Wormhole uh announcement from last

2579
01:49:24,590 --> 01:49:21,119
week that's a really big deal that puts

2580
01:49:28,010 --> 01:49:24,600
us I don't know how close to E.T as far

2581
01:49:31,250 --> 01:49:28,020
as the the scale of of Technology where

2582
01:49:33,530 --> 01:49:31,260
we're at right but we're there you know

2583
01:49:36,709 --> 01:49:33,540
and and and how close are we to putting

2584
01:49:39,530 --> 01:49:36,719
Jim Harold uh you know through this

2585
01:49:41,930 --> 01:49:39,540
thing so he can go to Zeta reticuli I'm

2586
01:49:45,050 --> 01:49:41,940
not so sure but it's it's it's it's

2587
01:49:47,090 --> 01:49:45,060
going to happen it's no longer you know

2588
01:49:49,970 --> 01:49:47,100
part of a science fiction novel and it's

2589
01:49:51,830 --> 01:49:49,980
not Frank Herbert and dune this is

2590
01:49:53,870 --> 01:49:51,840
something that we are doing

2591
01:49:55,970 --> 01:49:53,880
and the other thing about ghosts you

2592
01:49:57,950 --> 01:49:55,980
bring up ghosts and uh you know I've

2593
01:49:59,570 --> 01:49:57,960
heard more than one story Dave Schrader

2594
01:50:01,729 --> 01:49:59,580
has a great story about it and I've had

2595
01:50:04,430 --> 01:50:01,739
people who have been on a campfire had

2596
01:50:06,169 --> 01:50:04,440
similar stories where someone will see a

2597
01:50:09,830 --> 01:50:06,179
quote ghost

2598
01:50:12,770 --> 01:50:09,840
but then the ghost will seem just as

2599
01:50:15,350 --> 01:50:12,780
frightened or surprised or shocked as

2600
01:50:18,350 --> 01:50:15,360
the person seeing the quote ghost so is

2601
01:50:20,750 --> 01:50:18,360
the person seeing the ghost a ghost

2602
01:50:23,750 --> 01:50:20,760
yeah

2603
01:50:27,830 --> 01:50:23,760
so that gets into time travel too you

2604
01:50:30,649 --> 01:50:27,840
know and or the many worlds Theory you

2605
01:50:33,290 --> 01:50:30,659
know the idea that you know it's like

2606
01:50:37,790 --> 01:50:33,300
platters on a hard drive these parallel

2607
01:50:41,030 --> 01:50:37,800
worlds spinning I was watching uh the

2608
01:50:44,990 --> 01:50:41,040
other day uh uh What Dreams May Come

2609
01:50:47,390 --> 01:50:45,000
right Rob Williams and and what a

2610
01:50:50,450 --> 01:50:47,400
remarkable piece of work

2611
01:50:52,310 --> 01:50:50,460
um that actually is but if you it it

2612
01:50:55,790 --> 01:50:52,320
kind of goes to what you're saying right

2613
01:51:00,290 --> 01:50:55,800
there you know what is what's reality to

2614
01:51:01,970 --> 01:51:00,300
us and wherever that Veil is well that's

2615
01:51:04,790 --> 01:51:01,980
a reality there

2616
01:51:09,050 --> 01:51:04,800
for whoever's there so yeah you just may

2617
01:51:11,570 --> 01:51:09,060
be peeking in uh if if if science and

2618
01:51:14,390 --> 01:51:11,580
physics continues to what they're doing

2619
01:51:16,790 --> 01:51:14,400
which is you know a fifth sixth seventh

2620
01:51:20,270 --> 01:51:16,800
eighth ninth tenth eleventh Dimension

2621
01:51:23,510 --> 01:51:20,280
yes stuff living all all around us we're

2622
01:51:26,330 --> 01:51:23,520
not aware of and we may pop into their

2623
01:51:28,250 --> 01:51:26,340
existence uh from time to time and

2624
01:51:29,570 --> 01:51:28,260
there's somebody running home to Mom and

2625
01:51:34,010 --> 01:51:29,580
Dad going

2626
01:51:35,629 --> 01:51:34,020
I saw an alien today right I saw a ghost

2627
01:51:38,510 --> 01:51:35,639
today

2628
01:51:40,850 --> 01:51:38,520
it's the same thing yeah that's one of

2629
01:51:43,250 --> 01:51:40,860
the things and I do think there's some

2630
01:51:44,930 --> 01:51:43,260
kind of connection you know and I also

2631
01:51:47,330 --> 01:51:44,940
think in the Paranormal there's some

2632
01:51:48,950 --> 01:51:47,340
kind of trickster element sometimes I

2633
01:51:50,030 --> 01:51:48,960
think sometimes something's messing with

2634
01:51:51,530 --> 01:51:50,040
us

2635
01:51:53,090 --> 01:51:51,540
um I'm not saying that's the case in all

2636
01:51:56,390 --> 01:51:53,100
the cases I don't necessarily believe

2637
01:51:58,550 --> 01:51:56,400
that's the case but uh I do believe

2638
01:52:01,550 --> 01:51:58,560
that's true sometimes I think there is

2639
01:52:02,270 --> 01:52:01,560
something that that messes with us I

2640
01:52:04,010 --> 01:52:02,280
know

2641
01:52:05,629 --> 01:52:04,020
um one thing that freaked me out a

2642
01:52:07,729 --> 01:52:05,639
little probably most freaked out I ever

2643
01:52:09,890 --> 01:52:07,739
got about a show

2644
01:52:11,390 --> 01:52:09,900
and I mentioned her constantly because I

2645
01:52:14,149 --> 01:52:11,400
just think she was the best Rosemary

2646
01:52:17,090 --> 01:52:14,159
Ellen giley and rosemary would always

2647
01:52:19,970 --> 01:52:17,100
send me her books and we would always do

2648
01:52:22,490 --> 01:52:19,980
interviews in fact I counted it up and I

2649
01:52:27,470 --> 01:52:22,500
think we did 20 distinct interviews over

2650
01:52:30,169 --> 01:52:27,480
there wow wow and uh anyhow

2651
01:52:33,470 --> 01:52:30,179
she had sent me a book on the gin

2652
01:52:35,990 --> 01:52:33,480
so we did an interview on it

2653
01:52:37,729 --> 01:52:36,000
and later that day

2654
01:52:42,050 --> 01:52:37,739
out of the blue

2655
01:52:45,649 --> 01:52:42,060
did not know how sick he was apparently

2656
01:52:48,470 --> 01:52:45,659
my uncle that I told you about died

2657
01:52:51,109 --> 01:52:48,480
within two weeks my mom died out of the

2658
01:52:54,109 --> 01:52:51,119
blue unexpectedly

2659
01:52:56,510 --> 01:52:54,119
now I kept every Rosemary Ellen giley

2660
01:52:59,390 --> 01:52:56,520
book I ever got I've got them all

2661
01:53:04,370 --> 01:52:59,400
wouldn't wouldn't trade him

2662
01:53:06,189 --> 01:53:04,380
and uh except for one and that one went

2663
01:53:09,950 --> 01:53:06,199
into the trash bin

2664
01:53:11,510 --> 01:53:09,960
because I'm like hmm maybe I'm being a

2665
01:53:14,870 --> 01:53:11,520
little paranoid a little superstitious

2666
01:53:17,450 --> 01:53:14,880
here but uh you know one of the things

2667
01:53:19,430 --> 01:53:17,460
they say about the Gin you know you kind

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01:53:21,229 --> 01:53:19,440
of poke that bear and sometimes it pokes

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01:53:23,030 --> 01:53:21,239
back and I just thought it was a little

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01:53:25,970 --> 01:53:23,040
close to home so I got rid of that book

2671
01:53:30,290 --> 01:53:25,980
I was out of uh I was out of town this

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01:53:31,850 --> 01:53:30,300
is uh uh uh Rosemary uh Ellen Godley

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01:53:32,930 --> 01:53:31,860
Story You're Gonna Love so I'm out of

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01:53:35,750 --> 01:53:32,940
town

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01:53:37,790 --> 01:53:35,760
phone rings it's it's Rosemary right

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01:53:41,209 --> 01:53:37,800
pick it up what's going on hey Jimmy

2677
01:53:43,370 --> 01:53:41,219
listen man I'm driving past your house I

2678
01:53:46,129 --> 01:53:43,380
have a scrying mirror I want to give

2679
01:53:49,310 --> 01:53:46,139
gift to you uh can I stop by

2680
01:53:51,770 --> 01:53:49,320
looks like I'm in New York oh

2681
01:53:54,590 --> 01:53:51,780
we'll do it next time

2682
01:53:56,750 --> 01:53:54,600
never happened no it's sad yeah you know

2683
01:53:58,729 --> 01:53:56,760
the thing about her was and I always

2684
01:54:01,010 --> 01:53:58,739
tell the story about her I thought Matt

2685
01:54:03,229 --> 01:54:01,020
she must really like me she is so nice

2686
01:54:05,629 --> 01:54:03,239
to me uh you know and it's really kind

2687
01:54:07,070 --> 01:54:05,639
of an ego boost somebody this great is

2688
01:54:10,129 --> 01:54:07,080
so nice to me

2689
01:54:12,830 --> 01:54:10,139
and then after she passed I kind of got

2690
01:54:15,229 --> 01:54:12,840
a little pin prick to my balloon

2691
01:54:16,390 --> 01:54:15,239
because I found out that she was that

2692
01:54:18,910 --> 01:54:16,400
way to everybody

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01:54:22,550 --> 01:54:18,920
everybody

2694
01:54:24,530 --> 01:54:22,560
I never saw and and we both had guests

2695
01:54:26,330 --> 01:54:24,540
great guests on our show who have passed

2696
01:54:28,370 --> 01:54:26,340
and it is one of the sadder things once

2697
01:54:31,490 --> 01:54:28,380
you've done this for a while

2698
01:54:34,330 --> 01:54:31,500
people you know start to to pass we just

2699
01:54:38,030 --> 01:54:34,340
lost a great one and Linda Godfrey yes

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01:54:40,010 --> 01:54:38,040
but I never so and Linda's had a great

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01:54:42,290 --> 01:54:40,020
outpouring as well but with rosemary I

2702
01:54:43,910 --> 01:54:42,300
was just amazed at the outpouring she

2703
01:54:46,970 --> 01:54:43,920
had in everybody said the same things

2704
01:54:50,270 --> 01:54:46,980
the same things over and over again

2705
01:54:54,410 --> 01:54:50,280
total professional prolific

2706
01:54:55,910 --> 01:54:54,420
erudite smart hard-working and one of

2707
01:54:58,129 --> 01:54:55,920
the nicest people in the world which is

2708
01:55:01,010 --> 01:54:58,139
probably the most important part

2709
01:55:04,550 --> 01:55:01,020
Jim thank you so much uh what a great

2710
01:55:07,070 --> 01:55:04,560
conversation tonight not one ghost story

2711
01:55:11,810 --> 01:55:07,080
doesn't count well no no I was gonna say

2712
01:55:13,790 --> 01:55:11,820
my uncle okay uh yeah we we this is

2713
01:55:16,430 --> 01:55:13,800
exactly what I wanted to do and and

2714
01:55:19,550 --> 01:55:16,440
thank you and now for everybody out

2715
01:55:22,129 --> 01:55:19,560
there uh we've got uh soulmate stories

2716
01:55:24,109 --> 01:55:22,139
right we've got uh great TV podcast

2717
01:55:26,510 --> 01:55:24,119
we've got Jim harrell.com we've got uh

2718
01:55:30,830 --> 01:55:26,520
Jim haroldplus.com where should

2719
01:55:32,330 --> 01:55:30,840
everybody go where is that yeah spot

2720
01:55:34,790 --> 01:55:32,340
where everything is and they can find

2721
01:55:37,129 --> 01:55:34,800
out well it really is Jim herald.com

2722
01:55:38,750 --> 01:55:37,139
because some of the shows you mentioned

2723
01:55:40,310 --> 01:55:38,760
like soulmate stories in the great TV

2724
01:55:41,629 --> 01:55:40,320
podcast we're not doing these days you

2725
01:55:43,550 --> 01:55:41,639
can still listen to them got to

2726
01:55:47,689 --> 01:55:43,560
interview some great people like Richard

2727
01:55:50,030 --> 01:55:47,699
Hatch and the late Richard Hatch and uh

2728
01:55:51,890 --> 01:55:50,040
William Daniels who's the voice of great

2729
01:55:53,450 --> 01:55:51,900
people on that show but but that one's

2730
01:55:55,490 --> 01:55:53,460
no longer in production but if you want

2731
01:55:57,350 --> 01:55:55,500
to listen to the Paranormal podcast Jim

2732
01:56:00,530 --> 01:55:57,360
Harold's campfire those are my two main

2733
01:56:02,810 --> 01:56:00,540
shows jimherald.com also on your

2734
01:56:06,229 --> 01:56:02,820
favorite podcast player just plug in Jim

2735
01:56:08,810 --> 01:56:06,239
Harold and I will be sure to pop up and

2736
01:56:10,310 --> 01:56:08,820
if you love spooky stories campfire if

2737
01:56:12,169 --> 01:56:10,320
you love interviews with authors and

2738
01:56:14,750 --> 01:56:12,179
experts the Paranormal podcast I hope

2739
01:56:16,609 --> 01:56:14,760
you check it out and Jimmy thank you so

2740
01:56:18,590 --> 01:56:16,619
much for your time for being so gracious

2741
01:56:20,629 --> 01:56:18,600
it was a lot of fun I hope I didn't bore

2742
01:56:24,950 --> 01:56:20,639
people too much but wow you're the best

2743
01:56:28,010 --> 01:56:24,960
baseball and and I just want to wish you

2744
01:56:29,810 --> 01:56:28,020
uh and your entire audience happy

2745
01:56:32,870 --> 01:56:29,820
holidays Merry Christmas Happy

2746
01:56:34,550 --> 01:56:32,880
everything and happy New Year and I hope

2747
01:56:36,370 --> 01:56:34,560
that everybody has a great holiday

2748
01:56:39,350 --> 01:56:36,380
season and even better

2749
01:56:41,750 --> 01:56:39,360
2023. thank you so much Jim you're the

2750
01:56:43,790 --> 01:56:41,760
absolute very best happy holidays to you

2751
01:56:46,430 --> 01:56:43,800
and thank you so much for being here

2752
01:56:48,169 --> 01:56:46,440
tonight our ninth anniversary man and

2753
01:56:49,129 --> 01:56:48,179
you just made it special for me thank

2754
01:56:51,550 --> 01:56:49,139
you so much

2755
01:56:55,070 --> 01:56:51,560
happy anniversary thank you Jimmy

2756
01:56:57,169 --> 01:56:55,080
Jim Harold Jim harrell.com all of his

2757
01:57:00,470 --> 01:56:57,179
links we've got him up in in social

2758
01:57:03,109 --> 01:57:00,480
media everything is right there thank

2759
01:57:05,450 --> 01:57:03,119
you so much Jim Jim Harold he's got the

2760
01:57:08,390 --> 01:57:05,460
voice when I grow up

2761
01:57:11,510 --> 01:57:08,400
I want to be Jim Harold this is Fade to

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01:57:14,330 --> 01:57:11,520
Black I am your host Jimmy church and uh

2763
01:57:17,270 --> 01:57:14,340
that's it so we're gonna head into

2764
01:57:18,890 --> 01:57:17,280
a weekend that I well of course I've got

2765
01:57:21,530 --> 01:57:18,900
to go and work and do all of that stuff

2766
01:57:23,570 --> 01:57:21,540
but I'll see everybody right back here

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01:57:26,089 --> 01:57:23,580
on Monday Fade to Black kids produced by

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01:57:28,370 --> 01:57:26,099
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01:57:30,250 --> 01:57:28,380
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01:57:32,330 --> 01:57:30,260
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01:57:34,310 --> 01:57:32,340
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01:57:35,149 --> 01:57:34,320
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01:57:37,310 --> 01:57:35,159
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01:57:39,950 --> 01:57:37,320
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01:57:42,109 --> 01:57:39,960
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01:57:43,970 --> 01:57:42,119
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01:57:45,530 --> 01:57:43,980
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01:57:47,390 --> 01:57:45,540
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01:57:49,310 --> 01:57:47,400
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01:57:51,050 --> 01:57:49,320
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2781
01:57:54,290 --> 01:57:51,060
church I want everybody to have a great

2782
01:57:57,290 --> 01:57:54,300
safe fun and amazing weekend

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01:57:58,940 --> 01:57:57,300
go back Lee tappy

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